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| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5435 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes  Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 17 of 23 17 August 2010 at 3:33am | IP Logged | ||
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I disagree with Cainntear. I think this method, when used properly, can produce excellent results. Speaking of results, I would be curious to know what kind of results the author has seen in his customers. If they are satisfied with their level of fluency after a few months, who are we to question the effectiveness of this method?
Since we don't have any information about the actual results, we just have to go by what can be gleaned from the website. I have to admit that beyond the marketing hype there isn't much information about the actual methodology of learning sentences by heart. The whole thing seems the be a version of sentence mining. If it's just learning a random series of phrases, I would tend to agree with Cainntear in that it's just parroting. Then again, if people make spectacular progress, maybe there is something to be said for parroting. I suspect there is a lot more than learning sentences randomly. I would assume there is some form of structured progression around certain subject and linguistic themes. In this case, the sentences are used to help the students internalize the structures and functioning of the language. Although the students learns a specific sentence, the goal ultimately is to make the student capable of using that sentence as a model to generate an infinite set of sentences based on the same model. For example, the student learns: "Thanks for being with us today". There is initially a phonetic sequence to master by constant repetition. But wait, there's a lot more. The student learns that that sentence is actually made up of components that can be modified or swapped out to generate: Thanks for coming in Thanks for calling Thanks for dropping by Thanks for sending your greetings Thanks for sitting in for Peter Thanks for replacing me at such last-minute notice etc. In essence, the initial sentence is the starting point of a process of creative derivation by substituting components of the original example. That is the theory that, in my opinion, underpins all systems of language learning. It is just implemented in very different ways. How NativeCoach does it, I'm not really sure. Edited by s_allard on 17 August 2010 at 1:02pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| superchink Newbie United States Joined 5276 days ago 7 posts - 7 votes Speaks: English* | Message 18 of 23 01 September 2010 at 10:45am | IP Logged | ||
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This method is truly ingenious, and for so many reasons! If anyone has tried it, please let us know how it
worked for you. Edited by superchink on 01 September 2010 at 10:45am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Faraday Senior Member United States Joined 6123 days ago 129 posts - 256 votes Speaks: German* | Message 19 of 23 01 September 2010 at 5:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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It's actually pretty similar to Assimi courses, at least as I use them. It's been very effective for me. I listen more than I speak at first.
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| maydayayday Pentaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5224 days ago 564 posts - 839 votes Speaks: English*, German, Italian, SpanishB2, FrenchB2 Studies: Arabic (Egyptian), Russian, Swedish, Turkish, Polish, Persian, Vietnamese Studies: Urdu | Message 20 of 23 01 September 2010 at 6:58pm | IP Logged | ||
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I use a version of shadowing/parotting on my MP3 (usually on the bicycle so I can speak out loud). I am working on my prosody - rhythm speed volume pitch - to sound as much like a native user of the language as possible. I personally don't consider a native accent a goal but rhythm of speech does help natives understand, apparently.
Here is what I do: Make a recording which plays each phrase twice with a suitable gap between. The first time has two purposes: a) You get to hear a phrase/sentence/speech for the first time when you cut the track b) You are able to adjust the length of the phrase, etc until you are comfortable with what is being said. When in use the track is played once so you know your lines.... Then you get chance to mimic/follow the native speaker and follow the rsvp (ouch that looks a little french) You will soon learn to hear where you are 'out' with the native speaker. Comments gratefully recieved. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6680 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 21 of 23 01 September 2010 at 9:22pm | IP Logged | ||
This seems the Chorus method: http://olle-kjellin.com/SpeechDoctor/ProcLP98.html The author, Olle Kjellin is a member of our forum and in this thread answers me how to use it with recordings: http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=4261&PN=0&TPN=7 Here you have another thread about the chorus method: http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=6281 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5386 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 22 of 23 01 September 2010 at 9:39pm | IP Logged | ||
Isn't it illegal to ride a bike with head/earphones on? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5386 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 23 of 23 01 September 2010 at 9:46pm | IP Logged | ||
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I much prefer doing this while watching TV: there is usually a very clear and natural context, the language is natural and there are pauses that allow me to assimilate certain things better by repeating them more than once.
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