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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6012 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes  Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 17 of 69 18 July 2010 at 11:14pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
The historical origin of Scots has to be tied to the Danelaw, when Anglo-Saxon was influenced by the variant of Old Norse spoken by the Danish vikings. While Middle English was being formed in the south by the influence of Norman French on Anglo-Saxon, the kingdom of Mercia was being faught over by Scotland and England. The bit that we got was massively less affected by Norman in vocabulary, grammar and phraseology than what was spoken in the south of England. The bit of Mercia that England got was more affected by the Normans than Scots, but not as much as southern English. If we relabel Middle Scots as Anglo-Danish and Middle (southern) English as Anglo-Norman, we can see that the northeast of England is in a transitional place -- it is a dialect continuum between the Anglo-Danish and Anglo-Norman languages. In fact, it's linguistically fair to describe Geordie as a dialect of Scots -- this definition is only rejected because of the association of the names of both languages (English and Scots) with a particular country. The arbitrary line that you mention doesn't unfairly favour Border Scots, but it unfairly disfavours Geordie by describing it as something it is not. The same situation occurs with regard to Gallician and Portuguese. Standard Portuguese is based on the southern dialect spoken in and around the capital and there is a strong dialectal different between the north and south. In fact, the northern dialects in Portugal bear a closer resemblance to Galician than Standard Portuguese. This again does not prove that Galician is just a Portuguese dialect, but that the linguistic border has been badly defined for political purposes. If the existence of a dialect continuum between two languages proved them to be the same language, then the continuum between Portuguese and Galician, Galician and Asturian, Asturian through Cantabrian into Castillian, Castillian through to Catalan, Catalan to Occitan thence to French, and Occitan to Genovese and through the Italian dialects right down to Sicily would "prove" that 30% of Europe speaks a single Romance language, 30% a single Germanic language and 30% a single Slavic language. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| johntm93 Senior Member United States Joined 5328 days ago 587 posts - 746 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish | Message 18 of 69 19 July 2010 at 4:23am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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 newyorkeric Diglot Moderator Singapore Joined 6380 days ago 1598 posts - 2174 votes Speaks: English*, Italian Studies: Mandarin, Malay Personal Language Map | Message 19 of 69 19 July 2010 at 4:52am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Tyr was using this as an example of a particular viewpoint that he/she does not agree with. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| johntm93 Senior Member United States Joined 5328 days ago 587 posts - 746 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish | Message 20 of 69 19 July 2010 at 5:04am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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| newyorkeric Diglot Moderator Singapore Joined 6380 days ago 1598 posts - 2174 votes Speaks: English*, Italian Studies: Mandarin, Malay Personal Language Map | Message 21 of 69 19 July 2010 at 5:08am | IP Logged | ||||||||
That's Tyr's point. That two people that speak the same way are viewed differently simply because they live on different sides of a border. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| johntm93 Senior Member United States Joined 5328 days ago 587 posts - 746 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish | Message 22 of 69 19 July 2010 at 5:59am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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| JimC Senior Member United Kingdom tinyurl.com/aberdeen Joined 5548 days ago 199 posts - 317 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 23 of 69 19 July 2010 at 2:26pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Fit rare, noo that a ken that Scots is considert te be a tongue o it's ain oan here, av jist became bilingual!
A'though am a city loon in Aiberdeen, a can spik the Doric lik the country chiels. Funny though av niver wrote it doon afore Jim Edited by JimC on 19 July 2010 at 2:28pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6012 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 24 of 69 19 July 2010 at 4:47pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Dae ye say "av" in Doric? Ah thocht it wis "hae" -- "ah hae". That's hou we speak doun in the Central Belt, anyhou.... 1 person has voted this message useful |
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