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| cypherpunks Newbie Sweden Joined 5225 days ago 14 posts - 16 votes | Message 1 of 8 10 August 2010 at 10:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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Would it be possible to learn Classical Chinese/Literary Chinese using LR? Or would you say it's a purely written language, and that taking an auditory approach is totally ludicrous?
Presumably this means you would have to choose a Chinese dialect for the audio. (E.g. Mandarin or Cantonese, or maybe Hokkien, or maybe even as it's preserved in Vietnamese?) Has it ever been attempted? How does it compare to how the Chinese themselves study it in school? There is plenty of audio and written material available online, and I think the sheer amount of available (at least written) material would make it feasible, provided it's possible at all. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| cypherpunks Newbie Sweden Joined 5225 days ago 14 posts - 16 votes | Message 2 of 8 10 August 2010 at 10:30pm | IP Logged | ||
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That should have been: "There is plenty of audio (at librivox) and text material available online"
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| johntm93 Senior Member United States Joined 5332 days ago 587 posts - 746 votes  2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish | Message 3 of 8 10 August 2010 at 10:44pm | IP Logged | ||
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It's possible, but it'd help to have it transliterated if you weren't great with the characters.
You can take the audio approach just fine. I've seen recordings for learning Latin. Using audio recordings for a dead language is fine afaik, you may not get the pronunciation that was used by the speakers of that language, but that's because we don't know how they pronounced it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
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| cypherpunks Newbie Sweden Joined 5225 days ago 14 posts - 16 votes | Message 5 of 8 11 August 2010 at 12:26am | IP Logged | ||
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What about the large number of homophones with distinct characters? E.g. the following characters are all pronounced identically (including tone) in Mandarin, with no or little relation in meaning:
yì: 亦意義易議益異藝憶譯役翼誼億. This is not the case for Latin, right? I'd hazard to say most of its phonetic differences are preserved in the spelling, and though different from its original pronunciation, the difference between words is mostly preserved. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| johntm93 Senior Member United States Joined 5332 days ago 587 posts - 746 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish | Message 6 of 8 11 August 2010 at 4:14am | IP Logged | ||
I've had 3 years of public school Latin, and can't think of any homophones off the top of my head, but I know there were many words that sounded or were spelled similarly (but not exactly the same), but they normally had similar meanings. Maybe someone with more Latin experience could answer this better for you. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| luhmann Senior Member Brazil Joined 5338 days ago 156 posts - 271 votes Speaks: Portuguese* Studies: Mandarin, French, English, Italian, Spanish, Persian, Arabic (classical) | Message 7 of 8 11 August 2010 at 4:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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Classical Chinese is almost impossible to understand when read out loud in Mandarin. One should be able to understand idioms, set phrases or famous quotations, but the language itself would be too obscure to be understood without looking at the characters.
L-R still can be used, but with it with some adaptations. I would suggest you merge the texts into an interlinear translation, and read it while you listen. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| cypherpunks Newbie Sweden Joined 5225 days ago 14 posts - 16 votes | Message 8 of 8 11 August 2010 at 9:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yes, I was thinking that perhaps the relentless pacing of audio might be helpful, even if the audio is not comprehensible enough as-is.
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