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| Wulfgar Senior Member United States Joined 4672 days ago 404 posts - 791 votes  Speaks: English* | Message 25 of 32 18 March 2012 at 8:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
If you say you know the alphabet, but you can't pronounce a text in the language, what is it that you know? Imo, you know some information about the alphabet, which is not the same as knowing the alphabet. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Kartof Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5067 days ago 391 posts - 550 votes Speaks: English*, Bulgarian*, Spanish Studies: Danish | Message 26 of 32 18 March 2012 at 9:08pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I know each and every letter of the alphabet and an approximate (usually identical) pronunciation of each and every
letter. There is nothing else to an alphabet. What else is there to know? Combining letters to form words involves orthography and the historical phonetic changes of the language, nothing to do with the alphabet. 5 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| egill Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5697 days ago 418 posts - 791 votes Speaks: Mandarin, English* Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch | Message 27 of 32 18 March 2012 at 10:53pm | IP Logged | |||||
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@Wulfgar
When speaking casually I'll also use the word alphabet the way you have, but strictly speaking an alphabet is a just collection of letters. It is a type of writing system (others types are logographic, abugida, logographic etc.), which when combined with a standardized convention for a specific language yields an orthography. It is the orthography that maps sequences of graphemes to phonemes (roughly, symbols to sounds). Since people seem to be having definitional disagreements, might it not be better to use the less ambiguous term orthography? Edited by egill on 18 March 2012 at 10:53pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6910 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 28 of 32 18 March 2012 at 10:59pm | IP Logged | |||||
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By the way, there are people who don't focus on speaking, in which case pronunciation doesn't matter as much. People read classical Greek without having any practical "use" for it during holidays etc.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 29 of 32 18 March 2012 at 11:28pm | IP Logged | |||||
I'm doing the same with Polish now, I understand it better when spoken than when written. Audio also makes you read faster. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Wulfgar Senior Member United States Joined 4672 days ago 404 posts - 791 votes Speaks: English* | Message 30 of 32 19 March 2012 at 12:11am | IP Logged | |||||
I guess you're right. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 32 of 32 19 March 2012 at 8:36am | IP Logged | |||||
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There is a term graphics as well.
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