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English present perfect no longer taught? | ||
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| IronFist Senior Member United States Joined 6438 days ago 663 posts - 941 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 9 of 26 27 March 2012 at 8:14am | IP Logged | |||||
I said "boughten" (bought) for a while when I was growing up. "We haven't boughten anything yet." I hear people say it from time to time. I actually think it demonstrates understanding of English verb construction. That one doesn't bother me as much as "haven't ate" or "should've went." 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6704 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 10 of 26 27 March 2012 at 10:08am | IP Logged | |||||
Examples like these are quoted in descriptions of Scots as something that distinguish Scots from Standard English. But this doesn't mean that the construction has spread from Scots into other kinds of English, it could be a spontaneous mutation which just had caught on. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| shapd Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6150 days ago 126 posts - 208 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Italian, Spanish, Latin, Modern Hebrew, French, Russian | Message 11 of 26 27 March 2012 at 2:11pm | IP Logged | |||||
As a native Glaswegian, I can confirm what Iverson says, but it is not so simple. "I have went" is very common, not just in conditionals, but "I gone" is not. In contrast, "I done" and "I seen" are frequent but "I have did" and "I have saw" are rare. Isn't language wonderful! It is regular enough to qualify as a genuine dialectal variant rather than just an error. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6440 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 12 of 26 27 March 2012 at 4:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
The first hurts. The second used to hurt, but I've spent enough time with people who use that form that I don't blink at it now, unless I'm trying to proofread. I don't think I'd use any of them, but more time around people that do would probably change that. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5382 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 13 of 26 27 March 2012 at 4:06pm | IP Logged | |||||
I hear these often too. So far, I've managed to avoid it and I actually correct my wife when she says it. I wouldn't bother, but I'd rather the kids didn't pick it up too. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6440 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 14 of 26 27 March 2012 at 4:21pm | IP Logged | |||||
The people I know who do it get bristly when it's brought up, so I've learned to deal with it. Your kids will probably pick it up if and only if their peers use it; what your wife says is less important. A couple months ago, I was having a conversation, and "boughten" came up. I insisted I'd never heard the form - only to hear my mother use it later the same day. I'm sometimes amazed by what I hear in my parents' speech when I listen carefully, much less that of other people around me. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| wv girl Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5240 days ago 174 posts - 330 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish | Message 15 of 26 27 March 2012 at 5:32pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Although my third grader isn't learning the names of tenses with have/had + past participle, she is learning how to
use them properly ... had a test a couple of weeks ago with the irregulars eat/ate/eaten, see/saw/seen, etc. Grammar may be making a comeback in some elementary schools. Now casual speech is another thing. At least at this age, she imitates me more than her classmates' speech. While I wouldn't correct my grandmother, I don't hesitate to give my daughter a gentle correction in the form of rephrasing her statement. "Oh, you wouldn't have gone there?" if she says "I wouldn't have went there." 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4669 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 16 of 26 27 March 2012 at 7:26pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Should old acquaintance be forgot ,
and never brought to mind ? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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