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| arodriguez66 Diglot Newbie United States lepensuer.wordpress.Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5602 days ago 34 posts - 35 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: Russian | Message 1 of 6 28 September 2009 at 5:40pm | IP Logged | ||
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In my Russian learning, all the books and materials that I got say that the word order
doesn't matter. However, I found this website that says that the word order should be: subject, adverb, verb, and complement Now I am confused! What do I'm missing? That's the link ... is in Spanish http://www.aulafacil.com/Ruso/Lecciones ... 1-ruso.htm Any help pleeeaaassseee! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| gdoyle1990 Groupie United States Joined 5626 days ago 52 posts - 60 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Russian, Serbian, Estonian | Message 2 of 6 02 October 2009 at 5:20am | IP Logged | ||
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Well word order doesn't technically matter, but the traditional order for words is SVO...words can be placed in a different order for emphasis. It is like in English when one says "I am here" and "Here I am". Both phrases have the same technical meaning, but the word order in the second phrase puts emphasis on "here".
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| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6445 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 3 of 6 02 October 2009 at 10:00am | IP Logged | ||
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It's pretty much as gdoyle1990 says. Russian grants major flexibility in word order, and this does get used, especially to show emphasis in the written language (in the spoken language, this is often done by changing emphasis rather than word order).
As gdoyle1990 said, there is a default word order of sorts; this default is much more commonly deviated from than in English or Spanish, and these deviations are an integral part of the language, but it exists. The word order does matter, because shifting emphasis can occasionally change meaning or connotation; at a minimum, it changes emphasis. However, several (and sometimes any) word orders can be correct for most things which aren't fixed phrases. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| SII Senior Member Russian FederationRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5798 days ago 184 posts - 194 votes Speaks: Russian* Studies: English | Message 4 of 6 02 October 2009 at 10:54am | IP Logged | ||
Hmm... I don't know Spanish and don't read the site. But this word order is incorrect. 1) When they write about a subject and a complement, they must write about a predicate, a attribute, an adverbial modifier -- not an adverb and a verb. For example, a verb can be used as a subject and as s predicate; an adverb -- as an adverbial modifier. 2) Russian has almost full free word order. There is possible to say about the preferred/"standard" word order, but we (Russians) use the "non-standard" orders very often. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Leopejo Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Italy Joined 6115 days ago 675 posts - 724 votes Speaks: Italian*, Finnish*, English Studies: French, Russian | Message 5 of 6 02 October 2009 at 11:09am | IP Logged | ||
I think he meant a phrase like Я хорошо говорю по-русски. Literally subject, adverb, verb, (indirect) complement. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| SII Senior Member Russian FederationRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5798 days ago 184 posts - 194 votes Speaks: Russian* Studies: English | Message 6 of 6 02 October 2009 at 10:40pm | IP Logged | ||
I think, this is the confusion in terminology. It is correct to say about this sentence either "subject, adverbial modifier, predicate, complement" (i.e. to say about the functions of these words in this sentence) or "pronoun, adverb, verb, adverb" (i.e. to enumerate parts of speech used in the sentence). But when we speak about syntax we must say about word's functions in sentences. For example, if we say "verb" about word "говорю" in this sentence, we say nothing about function of the word in the sentence because verbs can be predicate (as in the sentence) or subject ("бежать в гору тяжело"). 1 person has voted this message useful |
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