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| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5134 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes  Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 17 of 23 18 January 2012 at 4:49pm | IP Logged | ||
Not to mention that a quick glance at the first couple pages of the search results are actually just people asking what the difference is between "ver" and "mirar". R. == Edited by hrhenry on 18 January 2012 at 4:50pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Camundonguinho Triglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 4753 days ago 273 posts - 500 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English, Spanish Studies: Swedish | Message 18 of 23 20 January 2012 at 3:02pm | IP Logged | ||
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Native speakers of Spanish don't mix VER and MIRAR.
OIR and ESCUCHAR is another story. ;) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5134 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 19 of 23 20 January 2012 at 4:51pm | IP Logged | ||
You should probably add "in my experience" to that very definitive statement. In some places, natives can and do use mirar for ver in this specific context. Not saying it's right (or wrong), just that it happens in some places. R. == 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Skuld Triglot Newbie SpainRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5224 days ago 31 posts - 43 votes Speaks: Spanish*, CatalanC1, EnglishC1 Studies: German, French | Message 20 of 23 21 January 2012 at 11:32am | IP Logged | ||
I have carefully analyzed the first 20 results for "mirar la televisión" at Google Spain [20-01-2012; 21:30 GMT+1]: -------------------------------- Absolute Frequency [Percentatge] : 7 [35%]- Usage of 'mirar la televisión' at bilingual areas Catalan/Spanish. Results: (2, 7, 10, 11, 15, 18, 19) 5 [25%] - Usage of 'mirar la televisión' in Spain, but not knowing exactly the region of its origin. It can be from a Catalonian area of influence or not. (6, 8, 9, 10, 13) 2 [10%]- USA. Direct influence from English? Not surprisingly, the name of one webpage is 'Valencian College'. ['Valencia' is -apart from another meanings- the name of a Spanish city/area of Catalan/Valencian influence]. The other one 'Medline Plus'. What we know about the translator of the page from English? (16, 20) 1 or 2 [5%-10%] - Argentina. [South America] It's the same webpage. I haven't found more information. (4,5) 1 [5%]- International - Doubt about usage in Spanish of 'ver la televisión' vs.'mirar la televisión'. (1) 1 [5%]- Zaragoza, Aragon, (Spain) - Medium-low area of influence of Catalan. (17) 1 [5%]- Andalusia (Spain) --> The webpage is from Andalusia, but the essay where comes from the expression 'mirar la televisión' Google has ranked seems to be written by a Catalonian writer. (3) 1 [5%] - Euskadi --> High Esukara [Basque language] influence, 'but for political issues, area of low Catalonian influence' (sic). The text has been translated from Euskara to Spanish by a translator team known as 'Euskaltel Fundazioa'. (14) ------------------------- It's a very little sample, I know, but relevant. And it seems there's a high relationship between Catalonian/Valencian and the expression 'mirar la televisión' at Spain. On the other hand, I have found a relevant result from Argentina (twice), and two relevant results from USA, one of them with possible Catalonian influence apart from English. Edited by Skuld on 21 January 2012 at 12:43pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5230 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 21 of 23 21 January 2012 at 2:21pm | IP Logged | ||
I would say if it's contrary to what the dictionary says, it's wrong, but hey, that's just me. I think it's interesting to note, though, that there are many couples of verbs with similar but distinct meanings, often involving trying/intending to do something vs simply/mechanically doing it, that are often mixed even by natives [specially by natives?]. Some of these couples are cross-linguistic, some are not. I don't know if this deserves a thread of its own, but here 'a couple' more: oír/escuchar -> listen/hear; ex.: "I heard you" "yes, but were you listening?" hablar/decir -> speak/say; ex.: he didn't say much but he sure spoke a lot. Also talk/speak, watch/see, sniff/smell... 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Camundonguinho Triglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 4753 days ago 273 posts - 500 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English, Spanish Studies: Swedish | Message 22 of 23 21 January 2012 at 3:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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Take a look here:
mirar la televisión ~ ver la televisión http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=mirar+la+televi si%C3%B3n%2C+ver+la+televisi%C3%B3n&year_start=1950&year_end =2100&corpus=10&smoothing=3 Edited by Camundonguinho on 21 January 2012 at 4:29pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| PillowRock Groupie United States Joined 4738 days ago 87 posts - 151 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 23 of 23 31 January 2012 at 5:32am | IP Logged | ||
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I've found this thread an interesting reality check.
I've been working my way through Rosetta Stone Version 4 Spanish (Latin America). That software shows mirar when those phrases show up. So some of those 600K Google hits may come from a set of inexperienced students who have been taught that usage. Presumably there is some locality somewhere where that is the more common idiom. At least I would hope so, since it got into the RS course that way. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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