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Lizzern
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 Message 17 of 47
24 July 2009 at 2:55pm | IP Logged 
In case anyone's interested: in addition to the 1000-word list for Italian on Wikipedia, there is also an unformatted list of 70k+ words from TV and movie subtitles here.

There same link has the same thing for Spanish and German - the German list goes up to almost 400k words!!

Edited by Lizzern on 24 July 2009 at 2:56pm

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ellasevia
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 Message 18 of 47
24 July 2009 at 3:01pm | IP Logged 
Lizzern wrote:
In case anyone's interested: in addition to the 1000-word list for Italian on Wikipedia, there is also an unformatted list of 70k+ words from TV and movie subtitles here.

There same link has the same thing for Spanish and German - the German list goes up to almost 400k words!!


Thanks for those! Too bad they aren't formatted... Also a bit annoying is how they include proper names on the list.

Edited by ellasevia on 24 July 2009 at 3:02pm

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sofiane17
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 Message 19 of 47
02 August 2009 at 11:39am | IP Logged 
hello
where can I find the most common words on German
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William Camden
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 Message 20 of 47
02 August 2009 at 1:40pm | IP Logged 
Look up frequency lists in Wiktionary. There is a range of lists for languages, including German.
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Katie
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 Message 21 of 47
03 August 2009 at 12:15am | IP Logged 
Lizzern wrote:
I've used it to measure progress but never for actual study (cause I don't do wordlists, flashcards, etc. - ever), not really in an ongoing sort of way, I just skim over them to see how many of the most important words I've learned. If something I don't know is high up on the list I'll look it up but that's about it. If you're into memorizing words just like that then by all means go for it, but context, input and of course a decent course will take care of so much of it for you, and you'll have more fun doing it that way than just sitting down with a long list (imho). I wouldn't want to start that way - especially when it comes to Hungarian, Assimil's course is great! So I'd say use it to check yourself, once you feel like you know a fair bit it'll be rewarding and worthwhile to have a glance at a list and see how far down the list you can get before you see more unfamiliar than familiar words. It can be fun that way, watch the list of your own knowledge grow.

Liz


Hi Liz,

Thanks for your post! I'm sorry for not responding earlier, I did not see your post until now for some reason. I agree with your message :) I've actually been studying Hungarian for about 3 years now and consider myself somewhere in the ballpark of basic fluency (I have been 'assessed' by friends who say I'm around intermediate, but I'm not so certain about that!).

I've worked through FSI and Assimil and a number of other programs (Teach Yourself & Colloquial, Pimsleur etc). I also work with a teacher once a week. I read, watch DVDs, listen to music... all of those things using authentic materials.

I just wanted to have a look at the top 3000 words and learn any I didn't know.
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Lizzern
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 Message 22 of 47
03 August 2009 at 7:18pm | IP Logged 
Wow, basic fluency in Hungarian would just be a dream... And is, I guess, which is the problem. I might get back to it again though after I finish Italian!

Go for it :-)

Liz
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krog
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 Message 23 of 47
03 August 2009 at 9:15pm | IP Logged 
These vocabulary books from the
German 'lex:tra' series seem pretty good.

I've got the DAF (German) version, and there's English, French and Spanish as well,
which would all have 4000 vocabulary words in German with the counterpart and an
example sentence in the target language.

According to their blurb, 4000 words are enough to understand 95% of any given text
and to be able to use a language at a high level, and their list is based (for German
at least) is based on a 'new, more scientific sample'.

I haven't really used it yet, but I'm pleased to have it on the bookshelf.
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draoicht
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 Message 24 of 47
04 August 2009 at 12:01am | IP Logged 
For Spanish there is "A Frequency Dictionary of Spanish" by Mark Davies
Link
Product Description from Amazon
”A Frequency Dictionary of Spanish is an invaluable tool for all learners of Spanish providing a list of the 4,000 most frequently used words in the language. Based on a 20-million word corpus which is evenly divided between spoken, fiction and non-fiction texts from both Spain and Latin America the dictionary provides the user with a detailed frequency based list plus alphabetical and part of speech indexes.
All entries in the rank frequency list feature the English equivalent, a sample sentence plus an indication of major register variation. The Dictionary also contains thirty thematically organized lists of frequently used words on a variety of topics.”

It says 4000 but it actually has 5000.

Interesting paper here from Mark Davies where he says that a vocabulary of the top 3000 words would allow you to understand 88.2% of non-fiction, 89.6% of fiction and 94% of speech.
Link


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