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| crafedog Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5820 days ago 166 posts - 337 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Korean, Tok Pisin, French | Message 1 of 11 01 November 2010 at 11:53am | IP Logged | |||||
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Hello everyone
I'm a fan of the Michel Thomas series. I know it's not for everyone but it was amazing for my Spanish when I first listened to the CDs years ago. Now as many of us know there is currently no Korean one available and I honestly don't know if there is going to be one made in the future. What I did last night was, disgusted at my pathetic speaking ability, I decided to type up some of the transcription for a Michel Thomas course (an actual one with Michel Thomas) and I changed the language to Korean and worked together with a Korean through it. I decided to post what I've done here for you all to have a look at. I'm not finished and I doubt I could post the entire thing on here anyway because of copyright issues but it could be useful for some of you. I'm going to go through it with a Korean (maybe tonight) and see how useful it is (Korean reads English, I change to Korean, Korean reads Korean etc). Disclaimer/Information: This isn't meant to be a copyright infringement or anything like that and if the mods are unhappy with it then I apologise in advance. Secondly: this is not for a beginner of Korean. I'm not Michel Thomas and Korean is a very different language to English than Spanish/French etc are. I don't have cool tricks to help you learn this. Some stuff is just plain complicated in Korean and I don't have time to explain everything unfortunately. Thirdly: If there was something in the English version that Koreans didn't use or didn't say, then I cut/modded the English version to better fit the Korean version ('come' and 'soon' are surprisingly intricate). I didn't want to 'teach' mangled Korean just for the sake of tradition. Fourth: This is Spoken Korean. This is just as a Korean would say. I've written quite a lot of it in a casual (너, 나), mildly formal style (요), speaking to someone of a similar/younger age than you etc. Cut the 요 for a more casual style. Don't use some of this language with a stranger, someone older than you. That area of Korean is a minefield of sociolinguistics so I wanted to keep the language friendly (for a more formal form, have a look at any Korean Textbook made). Sometimes I've a put a more casual version next to the main version (갈래) and sometimes a more formal version (오세 요). Don't forget to practice intonation with the questions. Fifth: I'm not a professional so the quality of this is (to be generous) lacking/there are gaps/it's erratic/there might a mistype or two. I don't really know why I'm posting this as it might cause a hassle for me later in replies/possible copyright infringement but I just wanted to show you how it could work/it might be helpful for some of you (find a Korean to practice it with)/if someone had done something similar then I would've liked them to post it too. Eat 먹다 Do 하다 Go 가다 to drink 마시다 What [do] (obj) 뭘 Want to ~고 싶다 what do you want to drink? 뭘 마시고 싶어요? what do you want to eat? 뭘 먹고 싶어요? what do you want to do? 뭘 하고 싶어요? do you want to go? 가고 싶어요? with me 나랑 같이 do you want to go (come) with me? 나랑 같이 가고 싶어요? / 갈래? today 오늘 do you want to go with me today? 오늘 나랑 같이 가고 싶어요? / 갈래? evening 저녁(에) This evening 오늘 저녁(에) what do you want to eat this evening? 오늘 저녁에 뭘 먹고 싶어요? do you want to go with me? 나랑 같이 가고 싶어요? / 갈래? Tonight 오늘밤 9pm+ will you go with me tonight? 오늘밤에 같이 갈래(요)? Do you want to eat with me this evening? 오늘 저녁에 나랑 같이 먹고 싶어요? When 언제 Meet 만나다 when do you want to meet? 언제 만나고 싶어요? Here 여기(서) There 거기(서) I want to meet here 여기서 만나고 싶어요 I want to meet there 거기서 만나고 싶어요 can you come with me? 나랑 같이 올 수 있어요? Tomorrow 내일 Can (will) you please come with me tomorrow? 내일 나랑 같이 갈 수 있어요? Do you want to come with me tomorrow? 내일 나랑 같이 가고 싶어요? Yes 네, 예 No 아니오, 아뇨 When do you want to come with me? 언제 나랑 같이 가고 싶어요? to see 보다 goodbye 잘 가 to hear 듣다 goodbye (on the phone) 안녕 When do you want to see it? 언제 보고 싶어요? Can you see it? 볼 수 있어요? Yes, I can see it 네, 볼 수 있어요 I want to see it 그거 보고 싶어요 I want to see it here 여기서 그거 보고 싶어요 Tonight 오늘밤에 9pm+ Can you see it with me tonight? 오늘밤에 나랑 같이 그거 볼 수 있어요? Do you want to see it there? 거기서 그거 보고 싶어요? With 랑 With you (v. informal) 너랑 I want to come/go with you 너랑 같이 가고 싶어요 I want to eat with you tonight 오늘밤에 너랑 같이 먹고 싶어요 I want to do it with you 너랑 같이 가고 싶어요 …you (obj) 널 I want to meet you tonight 널 만나고 싶어요 If 만약 (formal)…면 when do you want to see it? 그거 언제 보고 싶어요? if you want to see it… 니가 그거 보고 싶으면… if you want to go with me 니가 나랑 같이 가고 싶으면… if you want to eat it with me 니가 나랑 같이 그거 가고 싶으면… if you want to drink it… 니가 그거 마시/먹고 싶으면… He is coming 와요? / 오세요? (polite. older) when are you coming? 언제 와요? I come/I’m coming 나 와요 Soon 곧 (very short time. English: ‘really soon’) I'm coming soon 곧 와요 I’m going soon 곧 가요 Are you going soon? 곧 와요? Are you coming soon? 곧 가요? Are you coming with Mr Kim soon? 김씨랑 같이 곧 와요? Edited by crafedog on 01 November 2010 at 12:08pm 6 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Nudimmud Groupie United States Joined 5194 days ago 87 posts - 161 votes Studies: Greek, Korean | Message 2 of 11 01 November 2010 at 8:49pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Very Impressive. Thanks for the resource. I've tried to do such things in the past and quickly found that the work is much greater that it first appears.
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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6013 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 3 of 11 01 November 2010 at 8:56pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Well yes, if you've literally taken Thomas's sentences and ordering, then it's copyright infringement.
If you take his principles and apply them to create a course custom designed for Korean, it wouldn't be. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Neil_UK Tetraglot Groupie United Kingdom Joined 5264 days ago 50 posts - 64 votes Speaks: English*, German, Esperanto, Welsh Studies: Polish, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Mandarin, Japanese, Scottish Gaelic, French | Message 4 of 11 13 November 2010 at 9:15am | IP Logged | |||||
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People are saying there aren't many good resources to learn Korean, but I've seen quite a few good resources. A Michel Thomas Method Korean would be good, though. Is Korean really that hard? There are no tones and no verb conjugations, so it shouldn't be too difficult, easier than Mandarin anyway! Edited by Neil_UK on 13 November 2010 at 9:18am 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| jtdotto Diglot Groupie United States Joined 5231 days ago 73 posts - 172 votes Speaks: English*, Korean Studies: Spanish, Portuguese, German | Message 5 of 11 18 November 2010 at 7:07am | IP Logged | |||||
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Just a few things I noticed.
I come/I'm coming - 나 와요 is correct, but Koreans don't usually say this. They would said 나 가요 - I'm going. Something like this - 너 언제 와요? - 나 방금 가요. When are you coming? - I'm going now. And "Are you going/coming soon?" seems to have been mixed around. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| crafedog Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5820 days ago 166 posts - 337 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Korean, Tok Pisin, French | Message 6 of 11 19 November 2010 at 2:20pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yeh like I said in my third point, the going/coming/soon part of Korean was a nightmare and doesn't correspond as easily to English as the other Michel Thomas languages do.
Though I'd never deny Mandarin's difficulties (as I've mentioned before, I think Mandarin is the last language I will ever want to learn due to the tones etc.) Korean is not to be underestimated. The age aspect of the Korean language (if someone is older than you then you have to change how you speak to them, younger different, same different, same close different etc) is tricky but not too bad. For me though, the most difficult part of Korean is that the Korean language changes depending on the situation/relationship with the listener/how you feel about what it is you are saying etc. The '!' in English can be 'translated' into Korean in 4 ways that I know of depending on how the info relates to you and the listener (new info, heard info, repeated info, correcting info, observed info etc). In one book, "Roadmap to Korean" (an ok but not that great a book), he lists 23 different ways of saying "Do you know?" in Korean depending on the relationship/social situation. Just do you know. Not 'did you know' or 'when did' or other possibilities. At least eleven of them are very common and none are archaic/useless unfortunately. It put me off Korean for about a month after I read that. What's very frustrating is that I might be watching something with Korean subtitles and I know the English being spoken but the Korean is different to what I thought it would be due to the varieties a quite simple sentence can form in the context (거든요, 잖아요, ㄹ 거야, 는데요, 네요 etc) Also something else that's been annoying me recently in Korean is the repeats. I know at least 4 ways of saying 'very', 7 'becauses', god knows how many 'even thoughs' etc. That gets old quickly. So yeah, it's not to be underestimated. However with the right motivation/attitude, it might not seem so bad in the long run. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Huliganov Octoglot Senior Member Poland huliganov.tvRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5357 days ago 91 posts - 304 votes Speaks: English*, Polish, French, German, Russian, Spanish, Esperanto, Czech Studies: Romanian, Turkish, Mandarin, Japanese, Hungarian | Message 7 of 11 20 November 2010 at 11:26pm | IP Logged | |||||
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If you want to take this further you should talk to Hodder and Stoughton. They'll be able to figure out what needs to be paid to the Michel Thomas estate, such as it is, how much they should take and how much you should get, and they'll kit you out with some resources to get it to completion, if they like the material.
However, what you have done so far is about half of the first CD and the faoundation course would be 8 CDs, so you'd need to produce a good deal more before you could take it to Hodder. 5 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Americano Senior Member Korea, South Joined 6848 days ago 101 posts - 120 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean | Message 8 of 11 21 November 2010 at 2:55pm | IP Logged | |||||
Having lived and studied in Taiwan and now Korea, I have to say that I disagree with you on this. Sure, reading Korean is infinitely easier, but speaking on the other hand is easier in Mandarin, imo. Korean has difficult pronunciation, a different sentence structure, and extremely complicated grammar. Korean verbs (along with adjectives!)do in fact conjugate. Instead of agreeing with the subject, they conjugate based on verb tense, aspect, mood, and the social relation between the speaker, the subjects, and the listeners. Korean has left me frustrated in a way that Mandain never did. 4 persons have voted this message useful |
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