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| Akao aka FailArtist Senior Member United States Joined 5337 days ago 315 posts - 347 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Toki Pona | Message 1 of 15 19 May 2011 at 6:21am | IP Logged |
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So... is this real? Apparently this language has something like 120-130 words, very easy
orthography, and easy pronunciation with only 14 sounds. It claims to be able to be as functional as many natural languages more or less. How on earth is this possible? I imagine one could learn this in a matter of weeks if not days with some hard studying. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| akprocks Senior Member United States Joined 5287 days ago 178 posts - 258 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German | Message 2 of 15 19 May 2011 at 6:40am | IP Logged |
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This post seems familiar:
http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=23809&PN=10&get=last That last guys answer on the topic pretty much sums it up. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| matthewmartin Triglot Newbie United States suburbandestiny.com Joined 6200 days ago 22 posts - 36 votes Speaks: English*, Russian, Toki Pona | Message 3 of 15 19 May 2011 at 10:26pm | IP Logged |
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toki pona's easiness has little to do with the orthography or pronunciation. While the
total currently published corpus of toki pona is in the 50,000+ words range, the total number of minutes of recorded voice, is probably in the tens of minutes. In other words, it's a language you read and write, you don't really speak it or listen to it much. The small vocabulary, small number of words and so on, in my experience, really does make certain learning tasks easier. If you do attempt to learn it, the community would appreciate if you could keep track of how many hours it took to get to milestones such as being able to write a paragraph or to read a paragraph. The data so far points to about 30 hours of study to read a little and write a little, and then a half year, to a year to get as good as one can given the community size, languages limitations, etc. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Akao aka FailArtist Senior Member United States Joined 5337 days ago 315 posts - 347 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Toki Pona | Message 4 of 15 20 May 2011 at 4:16am | IP Logged |
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Made a log.
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| kyssäkaali Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5554 days ago 203 posts - 376 votes Speaks: English*, Finnish | Message 5 of 15 20 May 2011 at 4:53am | IP Logged |
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I imagine one aspect that would make this language a lot more challenging is when the time comes to make up a word, which you're going to have to do sooner or later if you want to talk about anything other than rocks and grass, assuming those words are even part of the 150-word vocabulary or whatever the number is. I remember seeing the word for "piano" one time and it was a string of like 10 different words someone had glued together, although I can't remember exactly what it literally translated to, but I'm assuming it was words like "hand", "hit", "music" etc. If in the middle of a conversation you needed to say "diabetes", how in the world would you know what words to use to create THAT word? If you just said "blood illness", that could be interpreted as many more diseases than just diabetes.
I gotta say though, I like the fact that the vocabulary was taken from a bunch of different natural languages (and NOT totally Euro-centric, for once in a conlang!) and not just random "oogala boogala" gibberish someone made up off the top of the creator's head. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Akao aka FailArtist Senior Member United States Joined 5337 days ago 315 posts - 347 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Toki Pona | Message 6 of 15 20 May 2011 at 7:23am | IP Logged |
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I'm guessing you wouldn't use Toki Pona in a hospital setting or to study medicine. Good
thing that's not what I was planning to learn it for ;) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| rdmiller3 Diglot Newbie United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5117 days ago 4 posts - 8 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto Studies: Toki Pona | Message 7 of 15 24 May 2011 at 1:19pm | IP Logged |
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mi jan Wiko. tenpo pini la mi jan sona pi toki pona.
Toki Pona does NOT claim to be as functional as a natural language. Toki Pona is NOT easy. Toki Pona has a tiny vocabulary (118 words plus a few new ones). Toki Pona has a simple orthography, but includes the letter "L" which is tricky for some people. The main thing about Toki Pona though is that the broad nature of the words requires one to think about the core meaning of what one is trying to say. All the complicated ways which people use words to lie to themselves don't work in Toki Pona. That's what Toki Pona was invented for. If something is bothering you, confusing you or making you anxious, try describing the situation in Toki Pona. It can be enlightening. Edited by rdmiller3 on 24 May 2011 at 1:22pm 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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