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| DavidW Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6528 days ago 318 posts - 458 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish, French, Italian, Persian, Malay Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Portuguese, German, Urdu | Message 9 of 24 23 July 2011 at 11:56pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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It's generally out of copyright in the life+50 countries, but not yet the life+70
countries. In France it's under copyright until 2043, due to special copyright terms for those 'mort pour la France.' I'm arranging this with Gallimard. I've just about managed to sort out the licensing of 'The Days,' by the way, for the Arabic and English translation. It's taken till now, it's been a bit of a nightmare. Getting permissions for other AUC Press translations should be easier now though. Edited by DavidW on 24 July 2011 at 12:11am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Andrew C Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom naturalarabic.com Joined 5192 days ago 205 posts - 350 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Written) | Message 10 of 24 24 July 2011 at 12:21am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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That's excellent news - well done!
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| DavidW Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6528 days ago 318 posts - 458 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French, Italian, Persian, Malay Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Portuguese, German, Urdu | Message 11 of 24 24 July 2011 at 3:36am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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The intro is going to be translated to French very soon, if you have any ideas, speak up
now! :-). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6552 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 12 of 24 24 July 2011 at 5:47am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Interesting. The language doesn't bother me at all, but the content sure does. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| DavidW Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6528 days ago 318 posts - 458 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French, Italian, Persian, Malay Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Portuguese, German, Urdu | Message 13 of 24 24 July 2011 at 8:19am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Please, tell me your thoughts. What do you take issue with? I'm not trying to sell a
'method,' just parallel texts with recordings, but I think the text would be useful... The text outlines an approach to language study that I've found very useful. It probably wouldn't be the only approach I'd use to learn a new language though, I'm also fond of drills, and 'shadowing.' There are a couple of things in the texts I perhaps wouldn't have put in the same way. I would probably use a book like this alongside a book that contains notes on grammar, although I'd think of this as a somewhat different kind of knowledge. I have tried in the past to study Norwegian from scratch, deliberately not studying any grammar formally, rather just by exposure to the language with parallel texts. I was surprised to find myself steadily developing an intuitive knowledge of grammar in a fairly systematic way. Admittedly Norwegian isn't a very tough language. I also use parallel texts with recordings for several languages that I study at the intermediate level. Edited by DavidW on 24 July 2011 at 6:43pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| DavidW Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6528 days ago 318 posts - 458 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French, Italian, Persian, Malay Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Portuguese, German, Urdu | Message 14 of 24 25 July 2011 at 3:24am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Anyone interested in taking a look a the (near final) print PDF, to comment on layout
etc? I'll be ordering the proof in the next couple of days. Edited by DavidW on 25 July 2011 at 3:24am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6552 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 15 of 24 30 July 2011 at 6:12am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I think L-R is a good supplement to learning. Not as efficient as more traditional listening and reading, but certainly useful. There's some good "how to" advice here, which is the best thing about the quotes you posted, IMO. There's so much stuff I take issue with, that I decided to focus only on 2 paragraphs.
(fyi – several words are misspelled) Here are the things this paragraph says to me that I disagree with. “My method is a natural method. Natural methods by themselves are the best way to study a language. Learning using my method requires no effort.”
“We can’t memorize things when we don’t feel well. Repetition and exercises/drills don’t help us memorize.” 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6441 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 16 of 24 30 July 2011 at 1:40pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I think the original isn't ideally worded, but we read it quite differently. Languages are far too large to learn every detail through explicit study (although explicit study of some of the details can certainly be helpful). The paragraph you quoted doesn't say anything about natural methods (what a loaded term) "by themselves" - even the most traditional language teachers I know of suggest actually interacting with living languages to push past an intermediate level, both in spoken and written form, and it is indispensable to do so, regardless of what else ones' study entails. And, interacting with a language, people do tend to pick up details of how it's used - whether or not they're explicitly focused on studying it. I do think that explicit study can be greatly helpful in some points that people find difficult and which are amenable to it - but this is complementary. Absolutely none of of this implies no effort - it's simply a difference in the focus of the effort (onto the material/situation, rather than onto the act of studying itself), and to some extent whether it feels like effort in some cases.
Memory is enhanced/impaired by how people feel. It's not absolutely impossible to memorize things when you have a bad flu, but it's definitely not as easy. There are things I memorize in one exposure. On the other hand, I did literally thousands of drills of some words for pronunciation practice a couple years ago - about 5000-6000 per word - and I can't even remember all of those words now. Repetition can help memorization, but it doesn't guarantee it; lack of repetition doesn't doom memorization, though it can be counterproductive. Most descriptions of language learning do look pretty bad once they're straw-manned into black-and-white ideological forms which hardly bear any resemblance to what the original author was saying. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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