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Ersatzinfinitiv in German
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smallwhite
Pentaglot
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Message 9 of 11

15 January 2012 at 7:29am | IP Logged

Verb clusters in final position of a subordinate clause
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fnord
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Message 10 of 11

15 January 2012 at 1:35pm | IP Logged

csidler wrote:

Wouldn't you just say: ich dachte, dass er das machen sollte... Problem solved...

This approach keeps it simple - I think it's the most common way of saying it (in verbal communication).

Edited by fnord on 15 January 2012 at 1:36pm
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yassi
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20 January 2012 at 10:32am | IP Logged

LanguageSponge wrote:

I've got a question about this. Someone I know wrote the following clause...

"und jetzt weiß ich mehr über Hockey, Snooker und Baseball, als ich träumen hätte
lassen."

... and I corrected it to "hätte träumen lassen". I was then told that this was wrong
because they'd checked with a native (Austrian) German speaker who said that hätte
träumen lassen" sounded awkward. I am quite stubborn and don't believe this - opinions?

Thanks :]

Jack

Hi,

"Hätte träumen lassen" does indeed sound a little strange to a native speaker of Austrian German, as the word order in Bavarian dialects is "drāma låssn hätt" i.e. "träumen lassen hätte".

As we usually speak and hear dialect in our daily lives and do not read or hear (e.g. on TV) sentences like this in Hochdeutsch very often, the word order of the dialect sounds natural to us. I know the right word order in Hochdeutsch is "hätte träumen lassen", bur when blogging or writing a letter I would write "träumen lassen hätte", in a school or professional setting (e.g. writing a paper in my job) I would write "hätte träumen lassen" ... but it does really sound a bit strange.

Don't trust the Austrians when it comes to elaborate German grammar.

Best Greetings from Austria :)

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