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| jaliyah Newbie United States Joined 5126 days ago 20 posts - 22 votes | Message 1 of 18 08 January 2012 at 1:51am | IP Logged | ||
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I understand that the Argentine Spanish dialect came about because so many Italian immigrants to Argentina persisted in speaking Spanish with an Italian accent.
So my question is this: if I have no prior knowledge of either Spanish or Italian, and I go to Argentina and learn Spanish there, would it be easier for me to understand Italian than it would be for speakers of other Spanish dialects? (because Spanish and Italian are so close anyway) Might it even be easier for me to understand spoken Italian than some of the other Spanish dialects? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| outcast Bilingual Heptaglot Senior Member China Joined 4950 days ago 869 posts - 1364 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, English*, German, Italian, French, Portuguese, Mandarin Studies: Korean | Message 2 of 18 08 January 2012 at 3:26am | IP Logged | ||
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On the margin perhaps, because you would be exposed to vocabulary that is Italian in origin that does not exist in other Spanish dialects. I don't think it would be a major factor, but I can't deny that it may make Italian slightly less foreign.
To be honest, having been learning French, I find the standard metropolitan accent reminds me of rioplatense accent a bit too, especially in asking questions. Edited by outcast on 08 January 2012 at 3:28am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Fabrizio Pentaglot Senior Member BelgiumRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5183 days ago 103 posts - 157 votes Speaks: Italian*, EnglishC2, French, SpanishB2, Portuguese | Message 3 of 18 08 January 2012 at 7:51am | IP Logged | ||
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I'm not actually sure if your premise "Argentine Spanish dialect came about because so
many Italian immigrants to Argentina persisted in speaking Spanish with an Italian accent" is 100% correct. I mean, I guess Italians, despite their huge numbers, weren't the only ones to land there, bringing along with them a whole package of cultural identity etc. Moreover, this "persisting in speaking Spanish with an Italian accent" would have lasted not more than one generation or so, which is a period way too short to determine a dialect. Best-case scenario - and I agree with oucast here - you might be exposed to a small amount of Spanish words of Italian roots (probably related to some very specific field!) and still don't get almost any real beneficial effects in terms of modern Italian understanding. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6012 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 4 of 18 08 January 2012 at 12:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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There's a lot of Germans in parts of Argentina, too, and then there was immigration from the UK.
I was quite surprised when watching an Argentinian film to hear a lot of adjectives before nouns. That's definitely not Italian influence...! As outcast says, the Italian influence is mostly in terms of vocabulary. I'm not aware of any grammatical feature borrowed in from Italian. Conclusion: leaving Argentina, you would understand much more Spanish than Italian. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 5 of 18 08 January 2012 at 3:42pm | IP Logged | ||
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Do you actually want to learn Spanish? If you're more interested in Italian, start with Italian. Spanish is considered easy but Italian will have the same level of easiness/difficulty really - and it'll be easier if it's the one you have more interest in.
You also don't have to go abroad, just create an environment for immersion at home. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Camundonguinho Triglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 4750 days ago 273 posts - 500 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English, Spanish Studies: Swedish | Message 6 of 18 08 January 2012 at 8:11pm | IP Logged | ||
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Please don't mix Argentine Spanish with Rioplatense.
In the Northwestern parts of Argentina, Italian-like (or better to say: Napolitan) intonation is not present at all. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Kanishka Triglot Newbie Italy Joined 4929 days ago 15 posts - 32 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, French Studies: Persian, Pashto, Dari | Message 7 of 18 08 January 2012 at 9:17pm | IP Logged | ||
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To an Italian ear, Spanish is Spanish, be it from Madrid or from Buenos Aires. Thus, if
you don't know it, you don't understand. 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| outcast Bilingual Heptaglot Senior Member China Joined 4950 days ago 869 posts - 1364 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English*, German, Italian, French, Portuguese, Mandarin Studies: Korean | Message 8 of 18 09 January 2012 at 12:40am | IP Logged | ||
As in "sos un tremendo boludo, che!" jajajaja. (as opposed to the "correct" way boludo trememdo) Yeah, people will place adjectives before nouns "a la Germanic", when wanting an emphsasis. And when does an Argentine NOT want emphasis when life is always a drama? ;) 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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