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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5060 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes  Speaks: Russian* | Message 9 of 14 15 January 2012 at 7:12am | IP Logged | ||
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I meant that the sounds are similar, not the words. Except for lack of vowel reduction I
didn't notice any significant difference with Russian. Edited by Марк on 15 January 2012 at 7:12am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6601 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 10 of 14 15 January 2012 at 8:02am | IP Logged | ||
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Yeah I didn't think you meant the vocabulary. But it probably affected my perception that I was trying to understand the meaning.
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| vonPeterhof Tetraglot Senior Member Russian FederationRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4776 days ago 715 posts - 1527 votes Speaks: Russian*, EnglishC2, Japanese, German Studies: Kazakh, Korean, Norwegian, Turkish | Message 11 of 14 15 January 2012 at 7:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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It could be that the singer in the video isn't a fully proficient native speaker and has a heavy Russian accent. I browsed YouTube for Finno-Ugric songs a few months ago, and I noticed a few commenters complaining that the singers' pronunciations were all wrong and heavily Russified, with at least one person claiming that pretty much all young speakers of these languages have Russian accents. The overall poor state these languages are in is hardly surprising even without discriminatory language policies: none of the five Finno-Ugric republics (Mari El, Mordovia, Karelia, Komi and Udmurtia) has an indigenous ethnic majority, and the speakers of these languages have been culturally assimilated to a greater extent than, say, the Muslim ethnic groups of Russia.
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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5060 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 12 of 14 15 January 2012 at 7:29pm | IP Logged | ||
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But what is wrong in her pronunciation? I was told on Lingvoforum that she might be a
Moksha (very close language) speaker. Give the example of pure Erzya pronunciation so that we could hear the difference, if there is any. Edited by Марк on 15 January 2012 at 8:09pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| vonPeterhof Tetraglot Senior Member Russian FederationRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4776 days ago 715 posts - 1527 votes Speaks: Russian*, EnglishC2, Japanese, German Studies: Kazakh, Korean, Norwegian, Turkish | Message 13 of 14 15 January 2012 at 8:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5060 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 14 of 14 16 January 2012 at 5:28am | IP Logged | ||
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from Wikipediia
В целом эрзянские звуки близки русским. Отличия: наряду с твердым ц есть мягкий ць; ч произносится твёрдо ([тш]); в позиции конца слова и перед гласным в произносится звонко, как неслоговое у. Смыслоразличительное ударение в эрзянском языке отсутствует, ударение свободное (может падать на любой слог). Для гласных в эрзянском языке действует закон сингармонизма, а для согласных — прогрессивной и регрессивной ассимиляции. Перезвуковка: во втором и последующих слогах слова о может заменяться на е(э), а согласные д, л, н, р, т смягчаться при условии, что в предшествующем слоге имеется передний гласный е(э) или и(ы) или предшествует мягкий согласный. Мягкость согласного обозначается при помощи ь. Если подряд идут 2 мягких согласных, то обозначается мягкость только второго: сёксня [с’ок’с’н’а] — осень. Erzya sounds are similar to those of Russian. There is a soft ц, ч is hard. There is something else about singarmonism, assimilation and stress, which is not important in the song. Edited by Марк on 16 January 2012 at 1:01pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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