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| Flarv Diglot Newbie United States Joined 4703 days ago 3 posts - 8 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Italian | Message 1 of 10 13 January 2012 at 5:44am | IP Logged | ||
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Have any of you ever studied this language?
For those of you that don't know - here is a website on it: http://www.ithkuil.net/ And I read that someone who speaks the language fluently is able to think six times faster than someone of any other language. I'm not surprised, either. The language is basically a mash up of tones, MANY sounds, and some of the most difficult grammar rules I've ever seen... For example: the sentence "Oumpeá äx’ääļuktëx." means "On the contrary, I think it may turn out that this rugged mountain range trails off at some point." 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6583 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes  Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 2 of 10 13 January 2012 at 6:57am | IP Logged | ||
I'm very surprised, as according to Wikipedia there are no and have never been any fluent speakers (the creator of the language is not a fluent speaker), so that presents some problems for that claim, let alone measuring the speed of thought. I think it's a pretty interesting invention and it'd be fun to study if I had more time. I think it'd be pretty impossible to have a conversation in it since redundancy is so important for language. You'd have to speak pretty slowly and over-enunciate, most likely, since if the listener mishears a single tone or phoneme, the entire sentence risks being misunderstood. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6704 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 3 of 10 13 January 2012 at 9:54am | IP Logged | ||
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I have seen vague references to some research that showed that the actual amount of ideas and statements transmitted pr. time unit is roughly the same whether you speak fast or slow, and whether your language is known for having short words or long words or simple or complicated grammar. And as Ari points out: with an ultra condensed language whatever its origin you would have to speak slowly and clearly which would ruin the gain you got from condensing the information. Besides nobody has actually learnt to speak this monster of a language, which to me indicates that it is too complicated to use in practice. The time wasted on learning it in the first place would cost you any potential gain in information transmission time later (if you could find somebody to communicate with, that is).
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| sipes23 Diglot Senior Member United States pluteopleno.com/wprs Joined 4871 days ago 134 posts - 235 votes Speaks: English*, Latin Studies: Spanish, Ancient Greek, Persian | Message 4 of 10 13 January 2012 at 3:53pm | IP Logged | ||
I'm deeply dubious of this kind of claim. I hear also that: …learning Latin will make you more logical and think critically (I still feel about the same) …learning Sanskrit will help you see reality more clearly as you'll know the real name for things (I don't know for sure, but I've got my doubts) …X is the hardest language in the world (name your poison, though I keep seeing Mandarin suggested here) I can't think of any other claims like this off the top of my head, but I'm sure they're equally ridiculous. I don't see how a language, native or learned, can change the basic cognitive or sensory machinery of a person. Pain will still hurt. Bad ideas will still be bad. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Hampie Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6660 days ago 625 posts - 1009 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Latin, German, Mandarin | Message 5 of 10 13 January 2012 at 8:58pm | IP Logged | ||
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I liked the various «plurals», that was kind of cool.
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| math82 Newbie United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5428 days ago 17 posts - 30 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian | Message 6 of 10 14 January 2012 at 12:13am | IP Logged | ||
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From what I've read, John Quijada, the creator, didn't nessecarily intend to construct a language that made you think / speak faster. His aims were make a language that is able to express sharper and more subtle meanings in a clear and regular way, with little room for ambiguity; hence the extreme phonology/morphology/grammar needed to twist the root words into all their different nuances.
The "think six times faster" claim was not made by Quijada, but by a Russian journalist in article for computer magazine. I think it's more of a philisophical/technical exercise than an attempt at the new Esperanto, but there are groups of people attempting to learn it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ellsworth Senior Member United States Joined 4958 days ago 345 posts - 528 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Swedish, Finnish, Icelandic, Irish | Message 7 of 10 14 January 2012 at 3:48am | IP Logged | ||
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I had always thought that rather than the language allowing you to think 6 times faster,
the only way that you could learn to speak Ithkuil at a reasonable speed was to think 6 times faster. I have to admit however, that this language has intrigued me in the past. It sounds really cool as well as looking cool and having interesting grammar. Only it is probably impossible to learn to fluency. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5883 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 8 of 10 14 January 2012 at 5:13am | IP Logged | ||
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I'm quite sure that I'll try to learn a little bit of this as well as more of Lojban in the future, for thanks to other already time consuming wanderlust, I cannot do it right now :)
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