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| J-Learner Senior Member Australia Joined 6038 days ago 556 posts - 636 votes  Studies: Yiddish, English* Studies: Dutch | Message 25 of 34 04 January 2009 at 2:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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For me it is very likely a change of aspect.
"He's burnt out" seems fine to me. He was burned out. He earnt it. I learnt it. Have you learnt something today? i think that in deliberate speech the -ed ending is just as valid for me often but sometimes is still sounds strange. True Alkeides, I say skippt. Look at thought, sought, brought, fought, caught, felt, meant. 't' endings. But the past of care would always be cared. scared, feared. Something about the r perhaps? I don't have the time to sit back and do a full analysis about my speech patterns and pronunciation so perhaps there are some studies out there that deal with it? perhaps someone more knowledgeable of what to look for can write out some sentences for me to record for them? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6019 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 26 of 34 06 January 2009 at 9:55am | IP Logged | ||
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Right, the rule with past endings is this:
-ed after a vowel or a voiced consonant is pronounced /d/ (voiced) -ed after an unvoiced consonant loses its voicing and is pronounced /t/ (unvoiced) (The only exceptional case being that after a T or D you pronounced it as /d/ with a schwa vowel before it) The reason that some people spell "learnt" that way is that N is a voiced consonant, which would mean that under normal spelling rules "learned" be pronounced to rhyme with "turned" (unvoiced /d/). As many people do indeed pronounce it with an unvoiced /t/, we chosse to mark this explicitly in the written form. (Voiced consonants are ones that can be hummed with a musical note, unvoiced ones have no distinguishable note/pitch/tone and can't be sung.) Edited by Cainntear on 06 January 2009 at 9:56am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Crush Tetraglot Senior Member ChinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5873 days ago 1622 posts - 2299 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Esperanto Studies: Basque | Message 27 of 34 07 January 2009 at 2:43am | IP Logged | ||
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It's been my experience in the US that you will see people spelling something with a 't' instead of a 'ed' to give off an air of sophistication (maybe sarcastically), like spelling 'theater' as 'theatre' or 'color' as 'colour'. Although now that I think about it, in spelling I don't think seeing 'burnt' would catch my as much as seeing 'learnt' or 'dreamt'. Also, looking at that site, I don't think I've ever seen the words 'forecasted' or 'quitted' before.
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| windy214 Newbie United States Joined 5670 days ago 5 posts - 5 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 28 of 34 07 July 2009 at 8:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'm in America and still in high school, and I have never seen the past tense of learn written with a "T" in any of my grammar text books
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| Kyrie Senior Member United States clandestein.deviantaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5737 days ago 207 posts - 231 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Portuguese | Message 29 of 34 08 July 2009 at 7:38pm | IP Logged | ||
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Neither have I. I'm typing with Mozilla's spell check and "learnt" is underlined, so I'm assuming it's not a word.
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| Yukamina Senior Member Canada Joined 6272 days ago 281 posts - 332 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean, French | Message 30 of 34 08 July 2009 at 8:02pm | IP Logged | ||
I assume Mozilla doesn't recognise alternate spellings. For example, it wants me to spell 'recognise' as 'recognize', even though both are correct. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6711 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 31 of 34 08 July 2009 at 10:26pm | IP Logged | ||
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For me a "learned" man (pronounced a "learnid" man) is someone who has studied a lot, i.e. it is here a normal adjective. As the participle of "to learn" I have learned to spell it with -ed, but to say "-t", and in due time I wouldn't be surprised to see "learnt" become the dominant form. But we are not there yet: Google gives 13.500.000 hits for "learnt" and 117.000.000 for "learned" - and the learnid bookworms can't make up for the difference.
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| The Real CZ Senior Member United States Joined 5657 days ago 1069 posts - 1495 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 32 of 34 09 July 2009 at 3:00am | IP Logged | ||
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Living in America, I have never heard anyone say "learnt." Around here, it's pronouced "learnd," as the e is nonexistant. Maybe it was learnt way back when as the majority of "t"s in the U.S. are pronounced as "d"s.
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