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| scootermclean Diglot Groupie United States scottmclean.net Joined 6486 days ago 69 posts - 70 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), Basque | Message 1 of 10 23 July 2009 at 8:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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Learning language from a native speaker (without books or any other form of learning
aide) Lately I have been thinking about how to go about learning a language from exclusive through a native speaker, without recourse to other learning books, guides, assimil, teach yourself, etc Assuming they speak your native language or you share a common langue with which communication is not a barrier, what would be the best way to go about learning their language? Where would be the best place to start? What would be the most important things to prioritize in the beginning? If any of you have any direct experience with this, or any tips, ideas, comments, suggestions please feel free to add. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ericspinelli Diglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5791 days ago 249 posts - 493 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Korean, Italian | Message 2 of 10 24 July 2009 at 6:11am | IP Logged | ||
I know there are some detractors of the theory/method here on this site and I haven't tried it myself, but I recommend at least reading through Greg Thompsons materials for just such a project at Language Impact. I recommend dealing with a native speaker who is either trained as a teacher or learned your language to fluency as an adult. Most native speakers are largely unaware of their own language, but usually the process of adult learning gives some awareness and insight into the various pitfalls and struggles of learning (e.g., "The future tense in X and Y are so different. It was hard for me to learn X, it's probably difficult in reverse, too."). I think the biggest draw back is going to be time. You can open a book or play a CD any time of the day, any day of the week. Are you going to have that much access to willing, capable native speakers? Whether you follow Thompson's method or not, I think making your own recordings will be instrumental to success. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| DaraghM Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 6159 days ago 1947 posts - 2923 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Russian, Hungarian | Message 3 of 10 24 July 2009 at 10:39am | IP Logged | ||
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The best place to start would be a conversation club where natives and non-natives meet up to practise their respective languages. They help you with your language, while you help them with English. The catch 22 with using native speakers, in a one to one environment, is those who are not professionally trained teachers can get frustrated very easily, while those who are trained, feel they're working for free. Edited by DaraghM on 24 July 2009 at 10:39am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| scootermclean Diglot Groupie United States scottmclean.net Joined 6486 days ago 69 posts - 70 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), Basque | Message 4 of 10 24 July 2009 at 8:44pm | IP Logged | ||
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I have no intention of doing this with a language that has materials to study from. But
say I meet someone from Azerbaijan and wish to learn some Azeri. As far as I know there are only 2 books published for learning Azeri from an English base. Imagine that these books are unavailable - I am trying to find out strategies and methods that would be best when learning just from a native speaker. This does not just apply to Azeri, it goes for any language with a lack of available/appropriate resources. Edited by scootermclean on 24 July 2009 at 10:59pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ILuvEire Diglot Newbie United States iluveire.wordpress.cRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5643 days ago 26 posts - 26 votes Speaks: English*, Sign Language Studies: Esperanto, Italian, Arabic (Written), Danish, Japanese | Message 5 of 10 25 July 2009 at 3:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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I've learned ASL mostly through native speakers, and I know some other people who have done it, but it's hard. Harder than learning for a book, imho.
If you do want to learn just from a native, make sure they are trained in their language, as ericspinelli said. Something else that's fun to do, is a language exchange. They'll teach you their language, and you can teach them English (or whatever) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| scootermclean Diglot Groupie United States scottmclean.net Joined 6486 days ago 69 posts - 70 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), Basque | Message 6 of 10 26 July 2009 at 12:11am | IP Logged | ||
Yes, language exchange.. great, but as you said for this to work the person should be trained in their language... Its not that I wish to do this as some experiment, imagine its a necessity, or the only way to learn a language. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| dmg Diglot Senior Member Canada dgryski.blogspot.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 7019 days ago 555 posts - 605 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Dutch, Esperanto | Message 7 of 10 26 July 2009 at 6:22am | IP Logged | ||
A number of more indepth books are available at SIL's Language Learning Bookshelf. Edited by dmg on 26 July 2009 at 6:23am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Lizzern Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5917 days ago 791 posts - 1053 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Japanese | Message 8 of 10 26 July 2009 at 1:15pm | IP Logged | ||
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I would probably try to get them to teach me basic structures first, the simplest rules of the language i.e. the rules kids generalize their way to first. Pronouns, plurals, verb endings, possibly a brief overview of prepositions, other relevant basic features. Being a native speaker doesn't necessarily make anyone a good teacher, but people should be able to give you that much.
Then lots of listening to pick out those things, and from context trying to piece together what everything else means in the times when they're not willing to explain things to you as they go. Ask for clarification as often as you can without becoming a complete nuisance :-) You can learn a lot of vocabulary just from listening, it's how I learned Catalan, which I never studied - though of course I cheated because I was studying Spanish at the time and the similarities are significant. That said, you can learn a lot just by listening, as long as you have a framework to build on in the first place. It would probably be fun actually, hugely confusing at first of course, but I think it could probably be done, as long as you had some patient people around you... Edited by Lizzern on 26 July 2009 at 1:16pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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