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| palfrey Senior Member Canada Joined 5275 days ago 81 posts - 180 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: German, French | Message 17 of 35 20 July 2011 at 8:03pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I don't know if any DLI courses are available from, say, the U.S. Government Printing Office. (Actually, I don't even know if that office is still called by that name.) But someone once posted a link to a few of the DLI courses. These often include both the written and audio materials for a language:
DLI basic courses Note that some of the courses are a few decades old. They may well have been updated since then. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| DavidW Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6528 days ago 318 posts - 458 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French, Italian, Persian, Malay Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Portuguese, German, Urdu | Message 18 of 35 21 July 2011 at 12:43am | IP Logged | |||||
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I remember reading that there are some questions over the public-domain status of some
of the DLI courses. But seeing as nobody at the DLI itself seems sure of the copyright situation on the occasions that people have contacted them, I can't imagine they would protest to them made available for free on the internet. As I understand, the idea that you could teach a language intensively with drills (and the rest of the Audiolingual method) was developed in the 40's in the USA. These ideas probably started to spread and be implemented in other places after this date. By the 70s the audiolingual theory was already starting to fall from favour, so this spreading would probably have slowed. I had an elderly English Russian-language teacher when I was a student in London for a while. He described how he learnt Russian in the army during the second world war. The environment/schedule seemed similar to what you read about the DLI, but the methods were probably a bit more traditional. He said they were given a Russian novel, and on the first day, had to memorise all the words on page one. On day two, they had to memorise two more pages. Then four more etc. They also had Russian speakers who gave lessons on slang etc. I think the drills at FSI were done mostly in the classroom, the tapes were mainly for supplementary homework. There was a shortage of teachers at first, and there was the idea that tapes could substitute for a teacher at the early stages of language learning, but I don't think the drills were seen only as a way to economise the teacher's time. Russian military linguists are very highly regarded and trained in special institutes. Language training in the linguisitic universities is also quite intesive and thourough, not unlike the FSI, and very different from most traditional language education at UK universities. I don't know if these institutes' courses had cassette recordings like the FSI courses however. Edited by DavidW on 21 July 2011 at 12:44am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| hobbitofny Senior Member United States Joined 6235 days ago 280 posts - 408 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian | Message 19 of 35 24 July 2011 at 12:28am | IP Logged | |||||
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The WWII US military course is still in print. It is called Spoken Russian 1 and 2. There is audio for it. The current printed version has only a few changes to it. It was made not need a Russian speaking teacher. http://www.spokenlanguage.com/
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| Zwlth Super Polyglot Senior Member United States Joined 5228 days ago 154 posts - 320 votes Speaks: English*, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Arabic (Written), Dutch, Swedish, Portuguese, Latin, French, Persian, Greek | Message 20 of 35 26 July 2011 at 4:25am | IP Logged | |||||
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Argentina: has no intensive language training institute
Brazil: has no intensive language training institute Canada: has intensive language training institutes Denmark: has no intensive language training institute England: had intensive language training institutes France: has an intensive institute for its soldiers only Germany: has no intensive language training institute Hungary: has no intensive language training institute India: has an intensive institute for Indic languages etc., etc., etc., etc. Can this be correct? Can't anyone help me fill in the list? Can it really be the case that Russia has no intensive language training institute? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6013 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 21 of 35 26 July 2011 at 8:48am | IP Logged | |||||
That's "the UK", thankyouverymuch. Or should we start calling your country "DC"...? 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5785 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German | Message 22 of 35 27 July 2011 at 12:50am | IP Logged | |||||
It always puzzles me that even incredibly smart and well-educated people in the U.S. (for instance Chomsky constantly says England when he means the UK) can't seem to understand the difference between England and The United Kingdom. I have met a few Spaniards who thought this distinction unimportant, and pointed to the Spanish Autonomous Regions (Catalunya etc) as essentially the same, to which I had to point out that nobody (that I know of) goes around calling Catalans (or Basques etc) "Castillian" (which would be the analogous situation). Edited by Random review on 27 July 2011 at 1:15am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| DavidW Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6528 days ago 318 posts - 458 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French, Italian, Persian, Malay Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Portuguese, German, Urdu | Message 23 of 35 27 July 2011 at 2:49am | IP Logged | |||||
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I think most countries probably have places were you can study languages intensively,
either private schools (like Berlitz, for business people etc.), special schools for government/military staff, or for students. But I would think only very few produce language learning materials of interest for people studying languages on their own, with lots of tapes. That's the reason I guess they would be of interest to the members of this forum. Often textbooks designed for class use aren't all that useful for individual study. I think the most recent course from the DLI that I've found on the internet was a Spanish course from the late 80's. That was more like modern classroom textbook than a 60s drill based course. Apparently they increasingly use off-the-shelf commercial materials now. I wonder if there are any more courses that are structured like the 1983 DLI Mandarin course (the one on fsi-language-courses.org), that has a really interesting structure, kind of like a very long Pimsleur course on steroids, with drills added. Edited by DavidW on 27 July 2011 at 3:00am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Zwlth Super Polyglot Senior Member United States Joined 5228 days ago 154 posts - 320 votes Speaks: English*, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Arabic (Written), Dutch, Swedish, Portuguese, Latin, French, Persian, Greek | Message 24 of 35 27 July 2011 at 4:42am | IP Logged | |||||
First of all, I do apologize for the offense. Believe me, it wasn't a deliberate slight! But to answer your question, it wouldn't bother me if you did this - on the news you often hear "Washington" used to mean the U.S. government. It used to bug me to hear people refer to the place as "the States," but I've gotten used to it.
We never have the difference pointed-out or highlighted to us. I'm not defending this - and I can certainly understand that why people from Scotland or Wales would feel irked at always being subsumed under the larger geogaphic entity - but the simple fact of the matter is that, for u.s., the two terms are synonyms, and England is easier to say than the United Kingdom. I will try to be sensitive to this henceforth, but I can't promise anything on behalf of the other 311,853,074. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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