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| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6472 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes  Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 17 of 30 25 August 2011 at 11:37am | IP Logged | |||||
To me, it seems like he's using whether suits him. Sometimes he gives the traditional character and the simplified character as a footnote or not at all; sometimes he gives the simplified character and the traditional character as a footnote (as in the example page) or not at all. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
 newyorkeric Diglot Moderator Singapore Joined 6381 days ago 1598 posts - 2174 votes Speaks: English*, Italian Studies: Mandarin, Malay Personal Language Map | Message 18 of 30 25 August 2011 at 4:22pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, I had the same feeling. He isn't clear at all about it in the introduction, at least as far as I could tell. The introduction is 6 chapters plus. I may have missed it! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Luk Triglot Groupie Argentina Joined 5337 days ago 91 posts - 127 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English, French Studies: Italian, German, Mandarin, Greek | Message 19 of 30 26 August 2011 at 12:15am | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm a little disappointed with Heisig's book. Some of the stories make no sense at all, for instance, number 66 "uniform". The standard type font on the left is accurate, but the handwritten on the bottom is actually the traditional character! and he uses a primitive corresponding to the traditional character (two) when in fact is different (dian and tí). The story is very bad in my opinion.
There was another character, among the first ones which was even worse (I don't remember it now). The fact that he uses different primitives for the same character make me a little nervous. I'm not saying is a bad book, but if I make up my own stories maybe I should simple use other book like Cracking... My problem is that I cannot get my hands on it. I don't know what to do. Edited by Luk on 26 August 2011 at 12:16am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| newyorkeric Diglot Moderator Singapore Joined 6381 days ago 1598 posts - 2174 votes Speaks: English*, Italian Studies: Mandarin, Malay Personal Language Map | Message 21 of 30 26 August 2011 at 3:43am | IP Logged | |||||
Here is another book that uses mnemonics: Hoenig. I've only glanced through it. It seems pretty good. I prefer the Matthews and Matthews book because they include a story for the sound as well as the character, something neither Heisig nor Hoenig do. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Luk Triglot Groupie Argentina Joined 5337 days ago 91 posts - 127 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English, French Studies: Italian, German, Mandarin, Greek | Message 22 of 30 26 August 2011 at 10:54pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I have looked the book a bit. Looks interesting.
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| Luk Triglot Groupie Argentina Joined 5337 days ago 91 posts - 127 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English, French Studies: Italian, German, Mandarin, Greek | Message 23 of 30 02 September 2011 at 6:07am | IP Logged | |||||
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I have finished chapter 6. I think I'll stay by Heisig's side for now.
If anyone knows a way that a can get Cracking the Chinese puzzles I'll appreciate you letting me know. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| OneEye Diglot Senior Member Japan Joined 6852 days ago 518 posts - 784 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin Studies: Japanese, Taiwanese, German, French | Message 24 of 30 03 September 2011 at 7:25am | IP Logged | |||||
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I've sorted all the characters from Harbaugh's book in a Heisig-like order. Specifically, all the characters in the book that are also in RTH come first, in RTH order. Then all that are in RTK in RTK order, then the remainder in the order in which they appear in Harbaugh. So the number of characters sorted in Heisig order is 2731. After this point, the order shouldn't matter since you should already know the components and how to make new mnemonic stories, but they are still in a logical order based on composition. The spreadsheet also has pinyin, definitions, RTH and RTK keywords where they exist, Japanese readings and vocabulary, references to major dictionaries, paraphrases of Harbaugh's explanations of etymology (these are folk etymologies, not scientific ones), etc. Hopefully it will be useful.
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