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| Renaçido Triglot Newbie Canada Joined 5085 days ago 34 posts - 60 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, English, French Studies: German, Arabic (Written), Mandarin, Latin | Message 89 of 93 05 January 2012 at 8:18am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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I don't think geographic isolation helps conserving a language's status quo at all. Just look at what happened to friggen Maltese!
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| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6062 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 90 of 93 05 January 2012 at 2:33pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I can hardly think of a less isolated place than Malta. What's your point? Reverse logic? Edited by Luso on 05 January 2012 at 2:34pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| xaled Tetraglot Newbie Morocco Joined 4716 days ago 9 posts - 31 votes Speaks: Arabic (classical), Arabic (Maghribi)*, French, EnglishC2 Studies: Spanish, Japanese | Message 91 of 93 05 January 2012 at 4:22pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
When i said that the Hassani dialect have some Bedouin linguistic elements, i didn't mean that Hassani is closer to the Arabic peninsula dialects.. The Hassani dialect is considered a Maghrebi dialects in spite of the Bedouin elements. Historically speaking, the Maghrebi dialects know two major phases, the pre-Hilalian and post-Hilalian. The pre-Hilalian is the phase that follows the spread of Islam in the Maghreb. Only the cities and few regions were natively Arabizied. Among the pre-hilalian dialects we find Andalusian, Jebli, Jiljil, Maltese... in the 11th century, the immigration of some Bedouin Arab tribes specially Bnu Hilal, changed the linguistic structure of the Region. Nowadays dialects are mixture of pre-Hilalian and Hilalian dialects. Bnu Hassan Bedouin tribes (who immigrated with Bnu Hilal) settled in the western Sahara region, thus, their dialect was less influenced by pre-Hilalian dialects. This region was never isolated from the north of Maghreb, on the contrary, they were always politically and economically connected. There is a lot to say about this point, but, i am afraid it's may diverge from the subject. You should also make difference between Tuareg and Hassani nomads, Tuareg are Berber. and Timbuktu is mainly a Tuareg region. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6062 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 92 of 93 05 January 2012 at 5:47pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I believe we are not really in disagreement here.
This is correct. You just said it was allegedly closer to Classical Arabic:
This was never my point. I stated that "The network was complete on that side too."
Yes, I was just referring to the historic cultural importance to Arab culture. Nowadays, it's different. We agree on that. Edited by Luso on 05 January 2012 at 5:56pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| xaled Tetraglot Newbie Morocco Joined 4716 days ago 9 posts - 31 votes Speaks: Arabic (classical), Arabic (Maghribi)*, French, EnglishC2 Studies: Spanish, Japanese | Message 93 of 93 06 January 2012 at 10:39am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
yes it's alleged that it's the closest dialect to Arabic, even more than gulf dialects.. And as I said it's partially true. But, even if it's totally true, this doesn't mean that Hassani is almost Arabic, as Italian isn't almost Latin. Nowadays dialects (including peninsula dialects) are more or less at the same distance from Arabic. There have been always strong connections between the Mashreq and the Maghreb, I don't know about a more particular connection between western Sahara and the Arabic peninsula. Perhaps it's been the case. But, if you want to explain the origin of Bedouin linguistic elements in the Maghreb, the main origin is the massive immigration of Bnu Hilal and other tribes, which is considered one of the key factors of the Arabization of this region. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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