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| jaliyah Newbie United States Joined 5126 days ago 20 posts - 22 votes | Message 1 of 15 08 January 2012 at 2:28am | IP Logged | ||
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Which Spanish dialect actually sounds closest to the way Spanish is written?
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| Mad Max Tetraglot Groupie Spain Joined 5052 days ago 79 posts - 146 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, French, English, Russian Studies: Arabic (classical) | Message 2 of 15 08 January 2012 at 3:36pm | IP Logged | ||
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I would choose Standard European Spanish.
For example, the difference in pronunciation between "caza" and "casa" is clear, and the pronunciation of "z" in these kind of words is very important to write it correctly. IMHO, Colombian Spanish is the most similar to European Spanish. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Javi Senior Member Spain Joined 5982 days ago 419 posts - 548 votes Speaks: Spanish* | Message 3 of 15 08 January 2012 at 5:37pm | IP Logged | ||
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Well, first of all, there's not such a thing as "standard European Spanish", and then,
how can a sound be close to an image on a piece of paper? That's just convention, and there isn't a single one. I suppose what you mean is, if you hear a word spoken in your dialect, how does this dialect affect the likelihood of your spelling the word correctly? Then I would say that dialects with s/θ distinction, y/ll distinction and no "dropping" of -s and other implosive consonants are clear winners. This is the Castillian dialect of Spanish as found in some areas of Northern Spain, but by no means "standard European Spanish". Edited by Javi on 08 January 2012 at 5:38pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Mad Max Tetraglot Groupie Spain Joined 5052 days ago 79 posts - 146 votes Speaks: Spanish*, French, English, Russian Studies: Arabic (classical) | Message 4 of 15 08 January 2012 at 6:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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Bueno Javi, si prefieres llamarlo "español del Centro-Norte de España" me parece bien
también:) También es cierto que ese dialecto del centro-norte de España es el mayoritario en los medios de comunicación o en los telediarios. Por ejemplo, Montesdeoca explicó que le "convencieron" para que usase ese español. Cuando decía "español europeo estándar" me refería a eso, al español usado mayoritariamente en los medios de comunicación españoles. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| ReQuest Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 5033 days ago 200 posts - 228 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, German, French Studies: Spanish | Message 5 of 15 08 January 2012 at 7:26pm | IP Logged | ||
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The only weird thing I noticed is that in Spain or Madrid Spanish the final d is often pronounced as a th as in thin so:
Madrith, felizidath (Madrid, felizidad) or they are dropped entirely. The j is also a lot stronger in Spain Spanish, more glutteral. And sometimes yo is pronounced more as djo than jo by some. But my Spanish isn't that great so, if I'm miamstaking, correct me please. Edited by ReQuest on 08 January 2012 at 11:26pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Camundonguinho Triglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 4750 days ago 273 posts - 500 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English, Spanish Studies: Swedish | Message 6 of 15 08 January 2012 at 7:34pm | IP Logged | ||
Central Colombian dialect (used in Bogotá or Medellín): 1. Y/LL is pronounced as J in American Jeep (Y as in Yes is used in diphthongs as in ''rey, soy'') 2. J is pronounced as [h] as in English, and is never uvular [X] as in Northern Spain. 3. s is always clear [s] as in English, and it has no trace of palatal pronunciation (sometimes I hear Northern Spanish FIESTA as FIESHTA) 4. Central Colombian dialect (used in Bogotá or Medellín) has the softening of B, D, G only after vowels, and never after consonants. This is also common in many Central American Countries (Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua): '' The voiced consonants /b/, /d/, and /ɡ/ are pronounced as plosives after any consonant (rather than the fricative or approximant that is characteristic of most other dialects). Thus pardo ['paɹdo], barba ['barba], algo ['algo], desde ['dezde]—rather than the ['paɹðo], ['barβa], ['alɣo], ['dezðe] of Spain and the rest of Spanish America. '' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombian_Spanish If you pronounce both B the same (as it is written) in words like BARBA, you're closer to the spelling, so Colombian Spanish wins here. In 85% of Spain people distinguish between CASA and CAZA (which is as important as distinguishing between VARÓN or BARÓN or VOTAR or BOTAR, in my opinion), but at the same time, many Spanish people don't pronounce intervocalic B, G, D (CANSAO instead of Cansado), and from Madrid southward you get the final S deletion, so average Castillian Spanish is not any more closer to the written form than Colombian Spanish is...On TVE the dubbers use the ''pronunciación ortográfica'' but this is not how most of Spaniards speak. Edited by Camundonguinho on 08 January 2012 at 7:43pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Javi Senior Member Spain Joined 5982 days ago 419 posts - 548 votes Speaks: Spanish* | Message 7 of 15 08 January 2012 at 11:09pm | IP Logged | ||
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That's crazy. In what way is [h] better than [X], or vice versa? That doesn't affect
your spelling ability in the least. They are just different realisations of a single phoneme. Perhaps we should have started by defining what's a "phonetic" language and what's the benefit of having one. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Camundonguinho Triglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 4750 days ago 273 posts - 500 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English, Spanish Studies: Swedish | Message 8 of 15 09 January 2012 at 1:55am | IP Logged | ||
[h] is more pleasant to the ear. [X] sounds unpleasant. :) That's why people prefer Spanish varieties that use [h] and Belgian Dutch (Flemish) is said to be more pleasant than Holland Dutch. ;) (Throaty sounds in Netherlands Dutch, Northern Castillian, Hebrew and Arabic just sound too throaty, a bit impolite ;)) Edited by Camundonguinho on 09 January 2012 at 2:00am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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