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| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4702 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes  Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 1 of 5 11 January 2012 at 10:03am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Hello,
my problem is, that while learning Japanese, vocab acquisition by reading is painful. Not only do I have to learn the word, I also have to learn the corresponding kanji, and then some more of its readings, plus the role of that kanji in kanji compounds. I try to get around this by being exposed to audio and video. I also learn words via SRS (ANKI/BYKI), but while this may work to some degree, it's not the most interesting thing in the world. I'm aware of Rikai(chan/kun/sama) and make use of it. Reading longer texts give me trouble still. I have no idea how many words I know. According to quite some sources, 2000 words should result in a retention rate of 80% (or did I misunderstand?). I'm pretty sure my vocab exceeds this by some margin, but not by which. I also don't exactly know all the "core 2000", but a lot of stuff found in the 6000 or 10000 range, or beyond - like 禁断症状, withdrawal symptoms (I picked that up when I tried to quit smoking and talked about it on Facebook with some Japanese friends). What would you think could help me? SRSing the 2000 kanji I need to read a news paper (called 常用) until I know them all, then proceed with reading? This sounds like a hell of a ride - I know some kanji already, or rather, can recognize them, but that should be in the 3-digits-range, and I didn't really "learn" them, just saw them often enough... A clear path to follow in order to learn the right vocab with the right method would be much appreciated. Right now, I feel kind of lost. Thank you! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| alang Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 7222 days ago 563 posts - 757 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish | Message 2 of 5 11 January 2012 at 4:28pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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What I can recommend is by learning roots, prefixes and suffixes. The same way I am expanding my native English vocabulary and with Spanish vocabulary. An English book "Building Word Power In Japanese: Using Kanji Prefixes and Suffixes" by Timothy Vance will be helpful. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4702 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 3 of 5 11 January 2012 at 11:44pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Thank you. That would mean learning Kanji in this case, as that's what you're describing. :)
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| ericspinelli Diglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5784 days ago 249 posts - 493 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Korean, Italian | Message 4 of 5 12 January 2012 at 5:19am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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There is no consensus on the best way to learn kanji/vocab though that doesn't seem to
stop people on the internet from stating there is and then arguing about on a regular basis. Some of the arguments on each side are persuasive, some are not. There is plenty written in the archives if you care to search, including my own thoughts on the matter. Just a few specific comments:
It is unnecessary to learn all of that at once. If you want to read, learn each word and its pronunciation as you come across them and no more. Apply what you know about readings when looking up new words in dictionaries but don't be surprised if you are wrong.
Neither do I. Does this matter?
You don't need to know 2000 kanji to start reading Japanese. Look for books aimed at school-age children complete with furigana if necessary (青鳥文庫（あおとりぶんこ） being one publisher of such).
If I had to make a single recommendation, it would be: UNICOM's 実力アップ！２級 漢字単 語ドリル for the old JLPT 2級. It's not a method but it's very well organized and provides examples for everything (and avoids most translation, which I consider a good thing). Edited by ericspinelli on 12 January 2012 at 5:20am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4702 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 5 of 5 12 January 2012 at 8:38am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Thank you, I will give it a try. :) I have no idea how many Kanji I actually need. I've got a bunch of Japanese friends on Facebook whose posts I follow and try to read, aided by Rikaisama (Firefox plugin). I may get repetition, but more often than not, the Kanji just fly past me, because I'm unconsciously trying to get the content rather than the form. Add to this, that complex Kanji displayed in that size look like chicken scratches..
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