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mick33
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 Message 25 of 136
04 May 2009 at 8:41am | IP Logged 
Rout wrote:
mick33 wrote:
cordelia0507 wrote:
I don't know very much about American pronounciations but the standard "California (?)" American that is spoken in most of the popular American TV shows is what I was thinking of. This is probably what most Europeans get exposed to and view as "standard" American. I've noticed that they go for very neutral accents on CNN which I watch sometimes. ....(It's really funny when you meet "real" Americans and they normally speak nothing like on TV, instead they have a New York accent, Midwestern..
Actually, the English accent on CNN, and other American news broadcasts, is sometimes called "broadcast American English" and it's an artificial accent, that's why "real" Americans you've met never speak like that. The people you have seen and heard on American TV are often taught "Broadcast American English" by speech teachers, and the idea is to sound like they could be from almost anywhere in the US.

The most neutral authentic American accent is not Californian, but rather urban Midwestern, though some Western accents can also sound fairly neutral.


If what you're refering to is "General English" or "Nonregional accent" I wouldn't call it synthetic, for that's the accent that I have and I certainly wouldn't call the midwest the epitomy of the American accent. Texas? Wisonsin? Kansas? You are mistaken. I live in Florida, btw, where more than have of the citizens use "Broadcast English" or whatever you want to refer to it as. I would say California and all throughout the west is the epitomy of the general American accent. It transcends just this area, for it is used in a large majority in ALL areas throughout the United States and increasingly more by younger generations. The same can't be said for a midwest accent, a southern accent, a New York accent.
I see know, after having re-read my first comment in this thread, that I wasn't clear about what I meant by "Broadcast American". When I wrote "Broadcast American" I was thinking of the accent American TV personalities such as Tom Brokaw and Barbara Walters were taught to speak, which is totally regionless, but is allegedly based on the "urban midwest accent" I previously mentioned.

One more thing; I think learning Received Pronunciation British is best for Europeans as it's understood almost everywhere.

Edited by mick33 on 04 May 2009 at 8:50am

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cordelia0507
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 Message 26 of 136
04 May 2009 at 9:52am | IP Logged 
It's been very interesting to read the opionions and information that people have about this.

My personal opinions is that people in Europe should aim for British pronounciation unless there is a good reason why not to. (such as "I am addicted to 10 US TV shows..")

Likewise it makes sense that South and Central Americans go for US pronounciation.

US vs UK Pronounciation is probably not a top priority of Asians learning English (must be hard work!). But Japan, Korea and many others have a lot more dealings with the US and I think they prefer that pronounciation.

On the other hand, I think most of the ex commonwealth countries in Asia prefers UK English. In Singapore a hybrid between the two is used. Just when you think the spelling is "right" they start talking about elevators and candy....

Perhaps there are areas in the Pacific that learn Australian English! I once heard an Indonesian talk unmistakably Oz.

A friend of mine from Zimbabwe is hilarious; she switches (quite unconsciously) betwen a 1950s type of RP English, and South African!

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Chung
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 Message 27 of 136
04 May 2009 at 4:14pm | IP Logged 
Rout wrote:
Ashiro wrote:
I think dialect is a much bigger concern here than accent. There's actually great swathes of vocabulary that the US and UK don't share.

This is most clearly demonstrated with the question: "Do you know where the lift to the 3rd floor is please?"

You'd likely cause some confusion saying it to an American.

I think the majority of British people tend to understand American English very well due to the proliferation of American films. However, the same doesn't normally work the opposite way. You'd be better off learning American vocabulary as much as it pains me to say it.


If you'd said that with a British accent, I'd have said "It's to the left, cheers."


One thing Rout, do you also realize that in British English, "3rd floor" refers to the "4th floor" in North America? The convention in British English differs from what is used in North American English.
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Rout
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 Message 28 of 136
05 May 2009 at 1:04am | IP Logged 
Chung wrote:
Rout wrote:
Ashiro wrote:
I think dialect is a much bigger concern here than accent. There's actually great swathes of vocabulary that the US and UK don't share.

This is most clearly demonstrated with the question: "Do you know where the lift to the 3rd floor is please?"

You'd likely cause some confusion saying it to an American.

I think the majority of British people tend to understand American English very well due to the proliferation of American films. However, the same doesn't normally work the opposite way. You'd be better off learning American vocabulary as much as it pains me to say it.


If you'd said that with a British accent, I'd have said "It's to the left, cheers."


One thing Rout, do you also realize that in British English, "3rd floor" refers to the "4th floor" in North America? The convention in British English differs from what is used in North American English.


Any decent course would explain that from the get go so as not to limit the learner to one country. =)

This post is about accent; I have one more comment. I think the American 'R' is one the hardest sounds to produce for most foreigners. If that is the case you might be better off sticking with RP. I think it's hilarious that I'm the only person that's suggesting learning an accent not of my country. Bob from UK "RP is surely the best!" Tom from Montana "I cringe when I hear a British accent!" (fictional characters, BTW). Maybe you should just suck it up and go down under mate. =P

Edited by Rout on 05 May 2009 at 1:05am

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Dark_Sunshine
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 Message 29 of 136
05 May 2009 at 9:31am | IP Logged 
I meant that RP would be the best choice out of all of the British accents! Accents really don't bother me at all, although if I'm very honest, it bugs me a little when I hear foreigners using American vocabulary. But they are bigger than us- so I'll get over it :-)
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WFU03
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 Message 30 of 136
05 May 2009 at 6:58pm | IP Logged 
Just to add to the "broadcast" or "neutral" American English accent idea...

I think American accents are all converging toward this point fairly quickly. With the advent of television and mass media, American children get a tremendous amount of exposure to this accent. If the child's parents or friends have a different accent, the neutral accent is the "normal" one that they hear on TV, so they will attempt to adopt it and, as is often the case with kids, mock the other child because s/he is weird.

From my own background, I distinctly remember moving from Tennessee to South Carolina when I was young. Both my parents have southern accents and I did too when I moved. After about six months, my accent changed to the broadcast/neutral/midwestern version. I distinctly remember being made fun of for pronouncing the word "naked" as "nekkid" (a fairly normal southern pronunciation). It didn't take long before I switched to a long 'a'.

On the what should learners of English pick idea...

I think American English has less variety than British English. I also think American speakers tend to pronounce the whole word more consistently and don't clip the end off as much. Additionally, there are many more TV shows and movies available in American than British, so there are more resources to practice.

That being said, I don't think there's much difference in picking either one. If you want to live/work/travel in the UK, I'd advise you to pick British. If you want to live/work/travel in the US or Canada, pick American. Other that, pick whichever one seems easier to you.
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 Message 31 of 136
05 May 2009 at 9:07pm | IP Logged 
My only problem with the American accent is that I can't take it seriously.
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WFU03
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 Message 32 of 136
05 May 2009 at 9:22pm | IP Logged 
Olekander wrote:
My only problem with the American accent is that I can't take it seriously.


That seems like a personal issue that you'll either overcome or never have any Americans take you seriously. For your sake, I hope it's the former.


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