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| LanguageSponge Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5767 days ago 1197 posts - 1487 votes  Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Welsh, Russian, Japanese, Slovenian, Greek, Italian | Message 9 of 13 27 November 2011 at 9:05pm | IP Logged | ||
The dialectal words in their "standard" version of the language aren't the problem I'm talking about in this thread. While the ones I've come across are occasionally confusing, it's normally just a case of learning a few more words - learning "Faschiertes" instead of "Hackfleisch" for instance; that's pretty simple; it's the dialect that I'm having trouble with. But as others have said, I realise now that it's not a big deal that I don't entirely get it - and I'm getting it more and more every day - but it'd still be nice to be able to understand. Fasulye - thanks for sharing your experiences about the Bavarian dialect. I'm somewhat used to that myself due to knowing various people who spoke it (due to their being from Bavaria) over the years and so I have picked some up. Indeed with some words, although only a few, I'm used to using dialectal words instead of the apparent standard - die Semmel being one of the main ones - and they use it a lot here, too. I remember my Bavarian teacher once saying the word "Brötchen" in class. I had to ask him what it meant - and when he said "it's the word for bread roll", I was horrified that I didn't know such a simple word. Then he reminded me I knew "Semmel" instead. Not sure why it happened like that, it still amuses me even five years later. Edited by LanguageSponge on 27 November 2011 at 9:08pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| yassi Diglot Newbie Austria Joined 4830 days ago 34 posts - 49 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC1 Studies: Turkish, Slovak | Message 10 of 13 28 November 2011 at 11:41am | IP Logged | ||
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Welcome to Austria! ;)
I completely understand your frustration - and Doitsujin is right, Austrian dialects are a different language than standard German. The Dialects spoken in Austria are closely related to the Bavarian Dialect in Germany (with the exception of Vorarlberg, where a Alemannic dialect is spoken) and there's a really good little book about Bavarian: Kauderwelsch, Bairisch, das echte Hochdeutsch by Richard Kölbl it costs ~ 8 € It explains the pronunciation and some grammatical features of Bavarian (like it's spoken in Bavaria) and especially the pronunciation is somewhat different in Lower Austria. But the two dialects share a lot of grammatical features, such as "agglutinatin" personal pronouns and objetc pronouns to the verb and other words, e.g.: Wenns wui, sågdsdās. Endings seperated: Wenn-s wui, sågd-s-dā-s. Word by word: Wenn-sie will, sagt-sie-dir-es. Standard German: Wenn sie will, sagt sie es dir. In Lower Austria, it's pronounced like Wanns wü, sågdsdās but the Grammar and the order of suffixes is the same - and different to standard German. Another feature explained in this book is the "filler r" that separates two vowels when endings are attached to a word, e.g.: Des duaredārawā gean. Endings seperated: Des dua-r-e-dā-r-awā gean. Word by word: Das tue-r-ich-dir-r-aber gerne. Standard German: Das mache ich aber gerne für dich. That's just two exaples of the book. If you are interested in learning a little about the dialect, I highly recommend reading it! Liebe Grüße, Yassi (halb Oberösterreicherin, halb Wienerin) 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6273 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French | Message 11 of 13 28 November 2011 at 1:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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I am currently in Cologne, where materials in Cologne dialect (such as a dialect edition of Asterix) are readily available in shops. What I do not hear, however, is people actually speaking the dialect. In Austria, in contrast, you did not have to go far to hear one Austro-Bavarian dialect or another.
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| Rolesmoles Diglot Newbie Austria Joined 4828 days ago 1 posts - 1 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Russian, Korean | Message 12 of 13 08 December 2011 at 5:11pm | IP Logged | ||
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hey languagesponge,
another thing in austria is the differnece between the dialects of each county. Like me as a "Wiener" --> dialect from voralrberg is very hard to understand,... same with some people from Tyrol.. famous for the wiener dialect is the former tv series "Mundl" check it out http://youtu.be/_qcFd8Y8Ub8 for foreign students, or Germans , its very hard to understand! But me as an austrian wouldn't talk like this at work, with family etc... it's very well "informal".... greetings 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| jdmoncada Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 5035 days ago 470 posts - 741 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Finnish Studies: Russian, Japanese | Message 13 of 13 08 December 2011 at 6:09pm | IP Logged | ||
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From my limited experience with the German-speaking world, I observed that Austrians, who on the whole were a very lovely group of people, really enjoy to use their different dialects. They seem very proud of them, and perhaps they were a badge of honor somehow.
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