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| zecchino1991 Senior Member United States facebook.com/amyybur Joined 5259 days ago 778 posts - 885 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew, Russian, Arabic (Written), Romanian, Icelandic, Georgian | Message 1 of 6 05 December 2011 at 11:25pm | IP Logged |
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I have been learning modern Hebrew for a while now, and I have always wondered if there
are any vowel (or even consonant) allophones. The reason I am not sure is because nothing I have ever read has mentioned them. Yet, sometimes I have trouble hearing the difference between /a/ and /e/ because people pronounce them very fast, so I have always thought that maybe they are actually saying the shwa sound /ə/. Is that true, or are they just pronounced very quickly? Also, are there any other allophones, vowel or consonant? I used to think there were some. For example, one time I noticed that sometimes /ʃ/ changes to /ʒ/ before voiced sounds, but that doesn't count because apparently the "zh" sound is a phoneme (it is in a few words that came from French, like "baggage.") So are there any at all? And remember I am only talking about modern Israeli Hebrew. Edited by zecchino1991 on 05 December 2011 at 11:26pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Yurk Triglot Newbie United States Joined 5731 days ago 29 posts - 37 votes Speaks: English*, Russian, Azerbaijani Studies: Modern Hebrew, Sign Language, Korean, Spanish, Indonesian, Irish Studies: French | Message 2 of 6 08 December 2011 at 10:42pm | IP Logged |
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In Hebrew chaf's standard pronunciation is /χ/ but I'm pretty sure [x] is a relatively common also, so they'd be
considered allophones. Reish can be pronounced as a variety of rhotic sounds (/ʁ/, /ʀ/, and /r/) all of which would be allophones in Modern Hebrew; though some may be associated with certain ethnic accents. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| zecchino1991 Senior Member United States facebook.com/amyybur Joined 5259 days ago 778 posts - 885 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew, Russian, Arabic (Written), Romanian, Icelandic, Georgian | Message 3 of 6 08 December 2011 at 11:11pm | IP Logged |
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So what about vowels?
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| stormj Newbie United States Joined 6711 days ago 4 posts - 7 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Modern Hebrew | Message 4 of 6 21 December 2011 at 12:26am | IP Logged |
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If you are trying to learn Israeli Hebrew, you have to remember that Israel is made up of a bunch of different
ethnicities. Sephardim and Ashkenazim, broadly speaking, are going to say things differently even among the standard "Sephardic" pronunciation. Qamats is an allophone that is sometimes 'o' and sometimes 'a' (e.g. chochmah wisdom, etc.) But many of the Hebrew sounds are merging, not splitting. Almost all Hebrew speakers don't make any sound for ayin except maybe some who were raised with Arabic or Yemenis. If you're not in a seminary or trying to be a shliach tsibbur, splitting all of these hairs isn't that important. Just go with your best approximation of the native speakers you hear on tape and call it good. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| zecchino1991 Senior Member United States facebook.com/amyybur Joined 5259 days ago 778 posts - 885 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew, Russian, Arabic (Written), Romanian, Icelandic, Georgian | Message 5 of 6 21 December 2011 at 12:41am | IP Logged |
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Yes, when I said Israeli Hebrew I meant the "standard" dialect. I know that doesn't
exactly exist...everyone has their own ways of speaking, pronouncing things etc. But that's the best way I can explain it. There is a certain dialect that is the most common. I should have been more clear, sorry about that. And I'm not trying to "split hairs," I'm just very interested in phonology. :) I didn't ask because I'm having problems, I'm just curious. It's hard to tell exactly what sounds people are using sometimes. Even in my native language I'm not always sure what sounds I am saying! Well anyway, thank you everyone for your answers so far. :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Cabaire Senior Member Germany Joined 5600 days ago 725 posts - 1352 votes | Message 6 of 6 21 December 2011 at 1:21am | IP Logged |
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The most famous allophone of Hebrew was, when the Ephraimites pronounced the Shin in שבלת as סבלת. That cost them their lives. But that is now long ago (Judges 12,5-6) and variation in pronunciation is now less dangerous in Israel nowadays, I hope. Edited by Cabaire on 21 December 2011 at 1:23am 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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