Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5767 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin
| Message 9 of 30 08 February 2012 at 7:04pm | IP Logged |
That's why I don't do 'goals'. That is, in my case simply trying to pump myself up by imagining how I reach a goal is enough to make me feel gratification and demotivate me. So I don't do that when I want to get something done. I simply get it done.
And talking about goals and plans - it depends on the person. When the other person also has the same goal, it is very easy to spark more enthusiasm by talking about it. I don't really experience the kind of situation where somebody else admires me for a plan I have. What I do experience are situations where people simply listen to me without showing judgment (which is generally helpful) and situations where people want me to explain and justify (which is demotivating when I haven't finished more than a third of the project in question already).
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hjordis Senior Member United States snapshotsoftheworld. Joined 5187 days ago 209 posts - 264 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, German, Spanish, Japanese
| Message 10 of 30 08 February 2012 at 7:32pm | IP Logged |
Jellitto wrote:
It feels like the people I tell my goals think that I have already achieved my goal, even if I donĀ“t think so myself! |
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Yeah, it feels this way to me too. It makes me uncomfortable more than anything, especially when they go around telling other people.
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vikavictoria Pentaglot Groupie United States Joined 5050 days ago 49 posts - 74 votes Speaks: Persian, English*, German, Spanish, Tajik Studies: Russian
| Message 11 of 30 08 February 2012 at 7:46pm | IP Logged |
Mooby wrote:
I spend a lot of my time language studying, so when a new acquaitance asks me; 'What do you do in your free time?', I tell them the truth, although I can't help feeling a little sheepish. It's not a shameful secret that I'm learning Polish, but I generally keep quiet about it because most people don't really know what to say in response. Even my Polish friends are baffled....I never tell them how much I study because they already think I'm crazy. That's why it's such a relief to come to confession at HTLAL...forgive me friends, I studied 8 hours last week. |
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This is true. On AJATT, he says that if normal people think you're crazy, then you're doing it right!.
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schoenewaelder Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5561 days ago 759 posts - 1197 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch
| Message 12 of 30 08 February 2012 at 8:31pm | IP Logged |
I think the extrapolation of a 45 minute psychological experiment to a general principal is totally inappropriate. It's a single piece of the jigsaw, and there are probably 999 other factors to take into account. (This applies particularly to psychology, but also to medicine/health and even science generally)
But it's certainly an interesting point, as it contradicts the usual advice to make a public announcement, so the potential for shame will force you to do it.
Personally, I think I got closer to getting round to doing a teacher training course after I told everyone I was going to do it. I still failed, but I got further than in the previous 10 years of mulling over it quietly.
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mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5227 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese
| Message 13 of 30 09 February 2012 at 12:34am | IP Logged |
Yeah I've been saying that I'm moving to another country for so long that it has become kind of a running joke. Few people know that the decision was made for real long ago and I've just been making up excuses not to do it because it's terrifying but I'll run out of them at some point and then I'll fly away. I'm almost there. Really :)
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geoffw Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4689 days ago 1134 posts - 1865 votes Speaks: English*, German, Yiddish Studies: Modern Hebrew, French, Dutch, Italian, Russian
| Message 14 of 30 09 February 2012 at 2:14am | IP Logged |
Mooby wrote:
That's why it's such a relief to come to confession at HTLAL...forgive me friends, I studied 8 hours last week. |
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Say 20 Hail Marys and Our Fathers in Polish and study 9 hours next week, and you will be forgiven.
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Jarvis1000 Diglot Groupie United States want2speakthai.com Joined 4889 days ago 74 posts - 101 votes Speaks: English*, Thai Studies: Spanish
| Message 15 of 30 15 February 2012 at 9:23pm | IP Logged |
For me I half agree. I don't go make a major anouncement, but I don't hide it either. If/when someone finaly asks about it I give them my the general goal For example my General Goal is to learn to speak Spanish. And that is all I tell them. I don't tell them when I want to speak Spanish by and at what level nor do I mention that I am also trying to push my Thai to another level(everyone already knows I speak Thai).
So inother words I don't hide my studies, but i don't broadcast it to the world. I also don't tell people specifics(except a very SMALL amount of close relationships like my Spouse)
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birthdaysuit Groupie United Kingdom Joined 4818 days ago 48 posts - 101 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Swedish
| Message 16 of 30 16 February 2012 at 3:24am | IP Logged |
I tend to approach language learning the way I approach most things I study. I'm always
proud of the things I choose to learn, so I tell everyone who will listen. I mean, how
many people here would hide their degree subject from friends and family? It's all
studying, right? And it has nothing to do with trying to make myself look good, it's
simply that my languages are an extension of me - of the person I have become, and to
keep them a secret would be to keep a huge part of me locked away...
My goal of 17 (this number has risen and will rise again) languages by the time I'm 50
has been shared with friends. It's an insane goal that everyone takes no notice of, and
that's fine with me, because most of these people would think just 1 extra language
would be impossible to learn by 50!
The bottom line is, as long as you know why you're doing it, you're enjoying yourself,
and you're confident within yourself, you can attempt the impossible, shout it from the
rooftops and not give a damn what anyone has to say about it.
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