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| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5131 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes  Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 9 of 17 14 February 2012 at 7:16pm | IP Logged | ||
My point stands. When I read something like "the real problem here is that we were not really learning any conversational skills" or having to put up with "all these mistakes", there's definitely a problem in classifying a speaker's level at C2. Perhaps they should just call the class "C2 DELE prep test class" and be done with it. Save the "conversation class" designation for something else. At C2 level, if there really is a problem with learning "conversation", maybe a "Toasmasters" or similar Spanish language seminar on public speaking would be a better fit. R. == Edited by hrhenry on 14 February 2012 at 7:17pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5431 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 10 of 17 14 February 2012 at 9:40pm | IP Logged | ||
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Well, maybe the university mislabeled the course. They called it a C2 conversation class and I had to pass a spoken and written placement test. But all of this is rather moot. I thought I was going to improve my conversation skills. Obviously, it was the wrong class.
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| IronFist Senior Member United States Joined 6438 days ago 663 posts - 941 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 11 of 17 14 February 2012 at 10:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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Get your money back and ask the teacher if he can give you private tutoring lessons as needed to check your progress. A native speaker who is interested in helping other people learn the language is a great resource. Edited by IronFist on 14 February 2012 at 10:33pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| mezzofanti Octoglot Senior Member Australia mezzoguild.com Joined 4749 days ago 51 posts - 112 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Written), Ancient Greek, Biblical Hebrew, Arabic (classical), Arabic (Egyptian), Irish, Arabic (Levantine) Studies: Korean, Georgian, French | Message 12 of 17 14 February 2012 at 10:42pm | IP Logged | ||
Completely agree. At your level you don't need a classroom. Just read advanced material and converse with natives while doing self study. Once you hit an Upper Intermediate proficiency, you're beyond the need for classroom study in my opinion. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5010 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 13 of 17 14 February 2012 at 11:04pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think one of the troubles is that most native speakers you practice with, when you are
that advanced, will not correct you or give you other and more natural ways to tell things. They will tell you "Your xlanguage is really good." and they'll be glad the conversation requires no additional effort from them. The teacher, on the other hand, should be focused on polishing your conversation skills, that is what he or she is paid for. Edited by Cavesa on 14 February 2012 at 11:06pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5431 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 14 of 17 15 February 2012 at 12:15am | IP Logged | ||
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I think Cavesa has hit the nail on the head. The reason for taking an advanced class--if you find a good one--or working with a tutor is to polish certain skills or even take your proficiency to a higher level. Obviously, if you feel that you can do that by yourself, that's fine. My own experience is that nothing beats working with a competent guide.
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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5382 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 15 of 17 15 February 2012 at 3:18pm | IP Logged | ||
I agree. It can be surprisingly hard to find, but the person doesn't have to be a teacher. My best "guide" is my Japanese language partner who knows just what to correct and how to remind me to correct a mistake, yet, if you ask her, she has no interest in teaching Japanese (other than helping me, of course). 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Alexander86 Tetraglot Senior Member United Kingdom alanguagediary.blogs Joined 4982 days ago 224 posts - 323 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, German, Catalan Studies: Swedish | Message 16 of 17 15 February 2012 at 4:37pm | IP Logged | ||
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I had a similar experience.
I signed up to an 'Advanced' Spanish class last autumn to perfect my Spanish, but the level of the class was really disappointing and I spent my time listening to other people who couldn't understand the teacher or me. It was hell. I stopped going and started to watch Spanish TV more (I read Spanish for my job so that's not an issue) and speaking to my (Spanish) fiancée in Spanish - although she speaks to me in English back... 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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