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zorglub
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 Message 41 of 49
07 August 2008 at 2:08pm | IP Logged 
Thank you !

I'll try and see which course has more CDs, since as a lazy hurried learner, I almost only use audio materials. I made an exception with the Assimil courses for romance languages, which did not get me bored and are well conceived.

patuco wrote:
zorglub wrote:
But I'm still to find a mainly audio material to improve on Egyptian or eastern arabic.

For Egyptian arabic there's "Kullu Tamam! An Introduction to Egyptian Colloquial Arabic" (and the follow-up course "Kallimni Arabi") and "The Colloquial Arabic of Egypt", all of which include CDs (not many though).


zorglub wrote:
Anyone acquainted with the Linguaphone Complete course of Arabic ?

I've had a look at it. I only got as far as using the introductory booklet which dealt with the alphabet and, since this was very poor, it put me off the rest of the course.

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patuco
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 Message 42 of 49
07 August 2008 at 3:18pm | IP Logged 
I forgot to mention that "Syrian Arabic" is available online. It used to be free to download but I have a feeling that it might not be free any longer.

Edited by patuco on 07 August 2008 at 3:22pm

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zorglub
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 Message 43 of 49
07 August 2008 at 4:15pm | IP Logged 
patuco wrote:
I forgot to mention that "Syrian Arabic" is available online. It used to be free to download but I have a feeling that it might not be free any longer.


Ey ey sah !
It is not free anymore but I have downloaded it at the time it was. I cannot use that kind of material that warrants sitting somewhere with a book or text. It's quite old style learning I find.
Thanks for reminding. I may have another try with the MP3S .
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brian00321
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 Message 44 of 49
08 August 2008 at 5:07pm | IP Logged 
patuco wrote:
I forgot to mention that "Syrian Arabic" is available online. It used to be free to download but I
have a feeling that it might not be free any longer.


There's also the "Eastern Arabic" course by Frank A. Rice. I just placed an order on the book
today, but judging by the previews on Google it looks very similar and probably quite as effective
as the FSI courses. It also comes with 9 hours of audio in MP3-CD format. One downside to it, if
you compare it to the "Coloquial Syrian Arabic," is that it doesn't teach the written language.
That could be a good thing though with a difficult language like Arabic. Learn how to speak a
dialect first and then write later.

Note: The course goes for $40 if you buy it from Amazon or the Georgetown website. Over at
audioforum the course goes for $225! But if you're able to 'cleverly' (uz-t) find the audio
somewhere else on the web, you'll just need the book, which is about $5.

Here's the Google preview . . .

http://books.google.com/books?
id=d7pt8_pROcYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Eastern+Arabic+Rice&c lient=safari&sig=ACfU3U3ErJ6yNT2euc-
_thVtfLaTC18bKA#PPR7,M1


Edited by brian00321 on 08 August 2008 at 5:25pm

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zorglub
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 Message 45 of 49
08 August 2008 at 6:19pm | IP Logged 
Wow that one looks fine.
Thanks for the link.

What are the MP3s like ? ¨Pimsleur style ? Michel Thomas style ? More university style, hairshirt way, FSI like ? Do they give the English meaning in the audiotracks ? can I use the MP3s only ?

Thanks
AZ


brian00321 wrote:
patuco wrote:
I forgot to mention that "Syrian Arabic" is available online. It used to be free to download but I
have a feeling that it might not be free any longer.


There's also the "Eastern Arabic" course by Frank A. Rice. I just placed an order on the book
today, but judging by the previews on Google it looks very similar and probably quite as effective
as the FSI courses. It also comes with 9 hours of audio in MP3-CD format. One downside to it, if
you compare it to the "Coloquial Syrian Arabic," is that it doesn't teach the written language.
That could be a good thing though with a difficult language like Arabic. Learn how to speak a
dialect first and then write later.

Note: The course goes for $40 if you buy it from Amazon or the Georgetown website. Over at
audioforum the course goes for $225! But if you're able to 'cleverly' (uz-t) find the audio
somewhere else on the web, you'll just need the book, which is about $5.

Here's the Google preview . . .

http://books.google.com/books?
id=d7pt8_pROcYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Eastern+Arabic+Rice&c lient=safari&sig=ACfU3U3ErJ6yNT2euc-
_thVtfLaTC18bKA#PPR7,M1


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brian00321
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 Message 46 of 49
08 August 2008 at 8:06pm | IP Logged 
zorglub wrote:
Wow that one looks fine.
Thanks for the link.

What are the MP3s like ? ¨Pimsleur style ? Michel Thomas style ? More university style, hairshirt way, FSI like ? Do
they give the English meaning in the audiotracks ? can I use the MP3s only ?

Thanks
AZ



I don't know if you'll like it, but the course is designed in FSI-fashion. Reading through the
introduction they even have a reference to the "Foreign Service Institute," so the course might
take you to basic fluency if you master everything. Even though there are only two reviews on
Amazon, I think the course looks promising if you're willing to slug it out.

As for using it on your on without a book, I'm sure it's feasible after you've done the drills maybe
two to three times (I've done this with FSI German). If your memory is super, or if you're really
smart, you probably only have to go through the drills with the book once. And yes, they do have
English prompts and instructions on it. I don't know if you'll like this either (I plan on editing out
all of the English).

Well here's a audio 'preview' of the course if you're interested. While listening, turn your bass
down a tad bit too if you think there's too much static going on.

http://uz-translations.net/?category=arabic-araudvid&altname =Eastern_Arabic_audiocourse

Another side note: I've been searching months for a thorough audio-based Eastern Arabic course,
and to be honest with you I think this is probably as good as it gets. Good luck with your studies.





Edited by brian00321 on 08 August 2008 at 8:18pm

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zorglub
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 Message 47 of 49
09 August 2008 at 3:49am | IP Logged 
Thanks.
Actually , I'd take either a Levantine/eastern/ Syrian /lebanese program or an Egyptian one.
So far I have to audio/browse through this Rice /Georgetown and syrianArabit tapes to see which is more suitable to me (the least possible work with a book).

But I'd be happy to do an Egypian program instead if I find an audio one that takes me beyond Pimsleur and Michel Thomas.

I'm just about to decide for a widely understood dialect (Egyptian or Eastern, I've seen by myself, are understood between eachother , and Arabs from the Gulf an Saudi Arabia), rather than MSA which really does not appeal to me. The only advantage of it is that here are Assimil and Linguaphone to work with, with good audio material.
Thanks a lot.

brian00321 wrote:
zorglub wrote:
Wow that one looks fine.
Thanks for the link.

What are the MP3s like ? ¨Pimsleur style ? Michel Thomas style ? More university style, hairshirt way, FSI like ? Do
they give the English meaning in the audiotracks ? can I use the MP3s only ?

Thanks
AZ



I don't know if you'll like it, but the course is designed in FSI-fashion. Reading through the
introduction they even have a reference to the "Foreign Service Institute," so the course might
take you to basic fluency if you master everything. Even though there are only two reviews on
Amazon, I think the course looks promising if you're willing to slug it out.

As for using it on your on without a book, I'm sure it's feasible after you've done the drills maybe
two to three times (I've done this with FSI German). If your memory is super, or if you're really
smart, you probably only have to go through the drills with the book once. And yes, they do have
English prompts and instructions on it. I don't know if you'll like this either (I plan on editing out
all of the English).

Well here's a audio 'preview' of the course if you're interested. While listening, turn your bass
down a tad bit too if you think there's too much static going on.

http://uz-translations.net/?category=arabic-araudvid&altname =Eastern_Arabic_audiocourse

Another side note: I've been searching months for a thorough audio-based Eastern Arabic course,
and to be honest with you I think this is probably as good as it gets. Good luck with your studies.




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brian00321
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 Message 48 of 49
09 August 2008 at 6:40pm | IP Logged 
zorglub wrote:
Thanks.
Actually , I'd take either a Levantine/eastern/ Syrian /lebanese program or an Egyptian one.
So far I have to audio/browse through this Rice /Georgetown and syrianArabit tapes to see which is more suitable
to me (the least possible work with a book).

But I'd be happy to do an Egypian program instead if I find an audio one that takes me beyond Pimsleur and
Michel Thomas.

I'm just about to decide for a widely understood dialect (Egyptian or Eastern, I've seen by myself, are understood
between eachother , and Arabs from the Gulf an Saudi Arabia), rather than MSA which really does not appeal to
me. The only advantage of it is that here are Assimil and Linguaphone to work with, with good audio material.
Thanks a lot.


I feel the same way about MSA. At the moment I wanna' avoid it until I feel that I have
a basic grasp on a dialect, preferably Eastern. One thing that does worry me about the
course is that it might be oudated (1979). I wonder if any natives in here could provide
some input. If the vocabulary is outdated I think I'll do the the "Eastern Arabic" course
first and follow it up with "Syrian Colloquial Arabic" to modernize my speech a little.


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