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Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5851 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map
| Message 9 of 11 01 November 2011 at 4:36pm | IP Logged |
MY REVISED LIST OF ESSENTIAL DUTCH EXPRESSIONS - Part one
in werkelijkheid = in reality
iets in opdracht geven = to assign a task
Het is daadwerkelijk gebeurd = It actually happend
Veel Nederlanders zijn recht door zee = Many Dutch people are straightforward
De politicus voert een machtstrijd = The politician leeds a power struggle
onder invloed van iets zijn = to be under influence of sth
de afstandsbediening = the remote control
heel benieuwd over iets zijn = to be very cursious of sth
het aanbod van goederen = the supply of goods
iets meer of iets minder = something more or less
de vorming of het ontstaan van het zonnestelsel = the forming of the solar system
iemand of iets in de steek laten = to abandon sth or sb
onderzoek uitvoeren naar iets = to reasearch on sth
het spaargeld = the savings
de bijdrage = the contribution
zich ontplooien = to develop oneself
prestaties leveren, iets presteren = to perform
de aansluiting van de trein/bus = the train/bus connection
de georganiseerde misdaad = the organized crime
iets onderhandelen met iemand = to negotiate sth with sb
vanzelfsprekend = self-evident
het principe = the principle
So, this is the first part of my list. I will first give you the time to "digest" it. Succes ermee!
Fasulye
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| Xerxes Quadrilingual Octoglot Newbie NetherlandsRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4774 days ago 10 posts - 12 votes Speaks: Dutch*, Danish*, SpanishC2* Studies: Biblical Hebrew*, French, English, German, Italian, Latin Studies: Ancient Greek, Turkish
| Message 10 of 11 04 November 2011 at 5:49pm | IP Logged |
Fasulye wrote:
Answer to your question: In my opinion "toekijker" "toeschouwer" is more widely used.
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I am sorry but that is simply not true (not that it really matters :P!).
The three words you are comparing simply mean three different things:
The word 'toekijker' (a 'towards-looker') has a negative sense to it, mainly implying
that the person in question was just standing there, doing nothing while somebody got
beaten up. In general the word is almost never used, the verb ´toekijken´ however is
very common (mainly a negative sense). I do think that 'toekijker' does not have this
negative twist to it in Flanders.
A 'toeschouwer' (a 'towards-beholder') is a spectator of some common activity such as
the theatre or a concert etc. It does not even come close to the English word
'bystander'. It is a positive word, implying that people were watching out of personal
preference.
An 'omstander' is a person who literally 'stands around', meaning exactly the same as
the English word 'bystander' (please correct me if I am wrong). The word has a neutral
sense to it and really is used a lot in the news(papers) for people who where there
when some (uncommon) event happened, which could be positive (dealing out dildo's of
recyclable materials on the streets for free etc.) or negative (some brawl, mother
beating up her child etc.).
Van Dale really is right 99% of the time. It is updated a lot to the current culture/
dominant usage of certain words and contains an extremely small amount of mistakes.
Please do trust that in the first place at all times, even above forum posts!
Hope it helped a bit.
Really cool that you have all chosen to learn our puny language :)!!
Xerxes
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| tommus Senior Member CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5870 days ago 979 posts - 1688 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Dutch, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish
| Message 11 of 11 04 November 2011 at 8:34pm | IP Logged |
Xerxes wrote:
Van Dale really is right 99% of the time.
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Thanks for your very good help. It is much appreciated.
I have several Van Dale electronic dictionaries and they are all excellent.
Xerxes wrote:
Really cool that you have all chosen to learn our puny language :)!! |
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I consider it a very impressive and excellent language. Many countries speak languages that are not truly their own. People of The Netherlands speak a language that is truly their own and should be very proud of it. The Dutch-speaking countries should all be proud of their special, albeit smaller language (in terms of number of native speakers).
And to be more accurate about me; I have not chosen just to learn Dutch. I have chosen to learn "things Dutch" because I find The Netherlands and other Dutch-speaking countries to be very, very interesting. That includes the countries, the people, the culture, the history, the science and much more. And the very best way to learn all this is in the Dutch language. There is so much to learn that it is a never-ending and very enjoyable task.
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