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| Juаn Senior Member Colombia Joined 5349 days ago 727 posts - 1830 votes  Speaks: Spanish* | Message 9 of 10 25 November 2011 at 3:07pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
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mrwarper, I don't have time right now to write a more thorough response, but let me just say that I find the everyday language (not vulgar language, mind you) to be quite forceful and convincing, and very apt for the expression of all kinds of ideas. You're correct in that formal Spanish is highly prescriptive though, and in this the contrast with English and its suppleness is stark.
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| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5230 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 10 of 10 25 November 2011 at 4:28pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
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@Juan,
Of course everyday language (and even vulgar language) is forceful, convincing, and apt for all kinds of expression, which is why we use it a lot for everything every day :) However, I think language learners should be careful about 'localisms' in their target language(s), and the more careful the more widely their TL is used, just like they want to be careful about vulgarisms. Supranational languages are obviously an extreme case, so I always advocate sticking to standard usage, or learn equivalent versions of anything for what universal forms aren't available, like hood/bonnet, etc. ---
You're probably right; I'm against both sides :)
I didn't say that. Dialectal forms are more frequent in the lower registers, that's all. But precisely because of that, the more dialectal a form is, the more it can (and often is) perceived as low-register. Probably something you want to avoid in general.
Just a way of speaking. I'm against ample usage of any kind of localisms because they play against you in general -- more often than not they'll get you blank faces if not eye rolling outside their zone. Now, if as I said before you're a true connoiseur and know what you can use for your own advantage (and how) in a strange land, hey, be my guest.
Neither do I, which is why I recommend forms that are [as close as possible to] universal, and I warn about different uses in different countries when possible. I already hinted why "que tan" feels wrong to me (besides its local nature); it is not because I am a Spaniard. Things like 'God kills a puppy' are just my personal jokingly way of speaking, intended to offend nobody but perhaps those the offense would never be directed at anyway, i.e. not Spanish speakers from any country :) OTOH, numbers alone would denote that roaches and not humans are the superior life form, so I find that argument kind of feeble. There are far more Simpsons' Apu-like speakers of English than Americans or British and you wouldn't say that's the highest standard of English, would you? When I say that A is preferable to me over B, I value forms according to universality, adhesion to norms, internal consistency, logic, etc., just the way I prefer saying 'I couldn't care less' when many people mean the same by 'I could care less', which doesn't even make sense.
Interesting, I think I never found it in my classical/medieval readings (not a whole lot, but...), or I'd remember it. From the wording, it's being phased out everywhere, though. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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