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| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6550 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 9 of 38 09 February 2011 at 1:22am | IP Logged | |||||
First, I'm very impressed that you speak the language. But I have to disagree with this statement. There are many motivations for learning a language, and I'm thinking that it's a sore subject for you or something to make you say this. By the way, I thought Gaelic was Irish? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6909 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 10 of 38 09 February 2011 at 2:13am | IP Logged | |||||
Most Scots I've met say "Gaelic" about their Gaelic, while most Irish say "Irish". Of course, they are both "Gaelic" languages (and Manx is a third member of that group). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| GibberMeister Bilingual Pentaglot Groupie Scotland Joined 5808 days ago 61 posts - 67 votes Speaks: Spanish, Catalan, Lowland Scots*, English*, Portuguese | Message 11 of 38 09 February 2011 at 11:05am | IP Logged | |||||
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The word Gaelic is widely used to refer to either Scottish or Irish forms of the language, both being quite similar. Technically speaking Scottish Gaelic speakers and other Scots will pronounce it as the native name: GAH-lick (Gàidhlig).
Calling it Gaelic is common and doesn't really bother anyone as far as I know. Irish Gaelic is usually referred to as Irish nowadays anyway. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6011 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 12 of 38 09 February 2011 at 1:14pm | IP Logged | |||||
There are many motivations for learning a language, yes. But that says nothing about success. If there is no reason for you to learn a particular language now, or in the foreseeable future, that's fine, and it's probably true. But to extrapolate from that that the language is of no use whatsoever, and is only of use for "historical reasons", shows a high degree of closed-mindedness and egocentricity. A closed egocentric mind tries to use itself as a model of others and the outside world. Racism and other forms of bigotry arise when the outside world does not conform to the bigot's own identity. "You are different, so you are wrong," essentially. If you go into language learning with an egocentric mindset, your imposition of self-identity on the outside world manifests itself in the calquing of idioms and clichés from your native language into the language you are learning. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| stephen_g Groupie Canada Joined 6329 days ago 44 posts - 84 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Italian | Message 13 of 38 09 February 2011 at 3:34pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Cainntear, are you arguing that there are no examples of individuals who have learned
languages purely for economic reasons and speak at a high level of fluency? I think that'd be a hard statement to support. There are many intelligent individuals who are of the opinion that unless you're an academic, the amount of time invested into language learning demands that you get concrete return on what you're doing. I'm not one of these individuals ('concrete return' is something one could debate endlessly), but I'm not going to turn around and call them all bigots. Some simply believe that the role languages play as tools of communication takes precedence over all that other stuff. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6703 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 14 of 38 09 February 2011 at 4:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Both parts have stated their opinion on the effect of usefullness on language learning now, so please stop the discussion now while everyone still is polite and calm.
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| t123 Diglot Senior Member South Africa https://github.com/t Joined 5611 days ago 139 posts - 226 votes Speaks: English*, Afrikaans | Message 15 of 38 09 February 2011 at 5:07pm | IP Logged | |||||
Especially considering the post that Caintear quoted is more than 4 years old. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6011 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 16 of 38 09 February 2011 at 6:15pm | IP Logged | |||||
Argh... there seems to be a lot of necroposting going on here these days. It might be worth putting an automatic lock on posts that have been inactive for X months to prevent this sort of thing. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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