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| VityaCo Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 7072 days ago 79 posts - 86 votes  1 sounds Speaks: Russian*, Ukrainian*, English Studies: Spanish, Japanese, French | Message 17 of 22 23 March 2009 at 1:28am | IP Logged | |||||
Did you actually finished to read the article? Here is just one quote, for example: "Researchers (Bloom (1985), Bryan & Harter (1899), Hayes (1989), Simmon & Chase (1973)) have shown it takes about ten years to develop expertise in any of a wide variety of areas, including chess playing, music composition, telegraph operation, painting, piano playing, swimming, tennis, and research in neuropsychology and topology. The key is deliberative practice: not just doing it again and again, but challenging yourself with a task that is just beyond your current ability, trying it, analyzing your performance while and after doing it, and correcting any mistakes. Then repeat. And repeat again. There appear to be no real shortcuts: even Mozart, who was a musical prodigy at age 4, took 13 more years before he began to produce world-class music. In another genre, the Beatles seemed to burst onto the scene with a string of #1 hits and an appearance on the Ed Sullivan show in 1964. But they had been playing small clubs in Liverpool and Hamburg since 1957" 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6002 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 18 of 22 23 March 2009 at 1:21pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yes. Notice natural language is not mentioned anywhere. Now when you're talking about sports, it's all about reaction and spotting patterns to exploit (eg in racquet sports, when your opponent is at the front left of the court, a ball at the back right is more likely to beat him. You're training yourself to do that automatically.) But language is not a reflex action to be trained in -- it doesn't work that way. Musical composition, too, is quite different from speaking. You take a theme, you expand on it, you alter it. You build up harmonies and counter-points. You revisit and modify bits as and when you feel the need. Musical composition is not a spontaneous skill. Of course language needs practise to become spontaneous, but this article doesn't enlighten the language learner on that process. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| VityaCo Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 7072 days ago 79 posts - 86 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Russian*, Ukrainian*, English Studies: Spanish, Japanese, French | Message 19 of 22 26 March 2009 at 5:30am | IP Logged | |||||
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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6002 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 20 of 22 26 March 2009 at 5:51pm | IP Logged | |||||
Make an argument, say "no arguing", get last word. Great debating tactic mate. Look, I said it makes no mention of language, and this is true. You say you can include more areas. Fine. Does is take ten years to develop expertise in orange peeling? Edited by Cainntear on 26 March 2009 at 5:54pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| icing_death Senior Member United States Joined 5852 days ago 296 posts - 302 votes Speaks: English* | Message 21 of 22 27 March 2009 at 6:34am | IP Logged | |||||
Yet passive methods don't work well for many. I prefer a combination of the two. Mnemonics and wordlists (or flashcards) to begin with, followed by massive exposure. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| AntoniusBlock Diglot Newbie Sweden Joined 5914 days ago 31 posts - 36 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: French, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 22 of 22 03 April 2009 at 8:39am | IP Logged | |||||
Your thinking about language and expertise is correct. Acquisition of expert level language skills is actually already a mature research area within the science of expertise. On a more general note, one of the main results in the entire science of expertise is that it has been well established that the main psychological and neurological characteristics of expertise are general across all domains of expertise, with very few exceptions. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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