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| Préposition Diglot Senior Member France aspectualpairs.wordp Joined 5105 days ago 186 posts - 283 votes  Speaks: French*, EnglishC1 Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Swedish, Arabic (Levantine) | Message 9 of 55 30 December 2010 at 1:59pm | IP Logged | ||
Please feel free :) I've got some new materials as well, I'll update the list when I'm back on the 2nd January. I'm going away for a couple of days, I'm bringing Wade's Grammar and its baby Grammar Workbook, and I'll try to go over cases and verbs of motion. I've downloaded flashcards from Quizlet for all my languages, and I'll try to do a couple of sets in each! In the meanwhile, Archie Owl and I wish you a happy new year/С новым годом! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Meelämmchen Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5074 days ago 214 posts - 249 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 10 of 55 30 December 2010 at 10:07pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'm away one or two days, too. Спасибо, новым годом морсе тебе! I don't think that this makes sense... So a happy new year to you, too and two nights to go!
!שנה טובה, מזל טוב, כל טוב, בהצלחה The little lamb greets the wise owl: bah-bah! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Préposition Diglot Senior Member France aspectualpairs.wordp Joined 5105 days ago 186 posts - 283 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC1 Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Swedish, Arabic (Levantine) | Message 11 of 55 03 January 2011 at 11:21am | IP Logged | ||
After I had the chance to wake up to this beautiful sunrise (it's back to grey, now), I decided to takle my language learning. As I thought I would, I didn't do much on the 1st and 2nd January, although you could now call me Sir Plan-A-Lot… I wrote an outline of what I wanted to learn, from which sources and when, and made it a PDF that you can find here if you have that much time on your hand. I also did mention it before, I intend to focus on Russian and Arabic, so if I happen to be unable to follow my (erm, maybe too intense) plan, I won't hesitate to drop one of my other three language. Anyway, here is the plan for January: ‐ 03/01 – 16/01 : Russian Challenge Revision – 2 weeks ‐ 17/01 – 30/01 : Russian Challenge Verbs of motion – 2 weeks ‐ Russian Vocabulary (21 words/day) ‐ Arabic Vocabulary (21 words/day) ‐ Al‐Kitaab 1 : 1 chapter/day – 20 days ‐ 11/01 – 31/01 : Italian Cuisine Challenge – 20 days ‐ Michel Thomas Italian (1 lesson/day) So, what's that Italian Cuisine Challenge, I hear you ask. Well, I found a book called "Buon Appetito!", and that basically a textbook to learn Italian through recipes. Because Italy is famous for its gastronomy, and that I can clearly read most of the book with very little help from Mr. Dictionary, I thought I'd give it a try and as there are 20 chapters (that's 20 recipes), I wanted to cook a recipe a day. I can already tell you there will only be 19 recipes, as no-one likes calamar in my family, but the number might decrease according to what I'm meant to cook and my family's taste (we're a very potato-ey family as well, so I'm not sure how we'll cope without them!) For my Russian Challenge (Revision Edition, baha), I will be using the textbooks I used at university, namely Поехали I and II (although II is really quite crap). They are both (there's a 3rd one) entirely in Russian, and aren't that easy to find, but Blackwell Manchester and Grand&Cutler should have them (and this website. I will also use Khavronina's Russian in Exercises, a brilliant book packed with just grammar exercises about pretty much everything. To follow with that, Terence Wade's grammar book and its workbook will also be in the team. 
I will pay special attention to my cases and my (prefixed) verbs of motion. Luckily, I do have some books about the subjects, so I will use The Case Book for Russian (Janda, Clancy), "In Which Case?.." (Tatiana Iuzvik), Russian Motion Verbs for Intermediate Students (Mahota), Verbs of Motion in Russian (Muravyova), as well as more general books such as Teach Yourself Russian Grammar or the Oxford Russian Grammar and Verbs. Luckily I was clever enough to make lists of what I had studied in my 1st and 2nd year, so I don't have to go through that much trouble to list what I need to revise. This is a diluted version of what I have, but I will explain what I learnt in my log! - Cases: Nominative, Accusative, Genitive, Dative, Instrumental, Prepositional (nouns and adjectives, singular and plural), prepositions - Verbs: 1st and 2nd groups conjugations, tenses (past, present, future), reflexive verbs (with meaning of reciprocal action, passive reciprocal verbs), verbs of motion prefixed and unprefixed, imperative, conditional, aspects (infinitives, negative in past, cancelled result), active/passive voice (verbs with middle reflexive meaning) - Indefinite Pronouns with particles - Direct/Indirect speech - Comparative/Superlative - Possession Today, I'm going to do cases, simply because they're one of the most important features of Russian and I have forgotten some of them and their uses! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Quabazaa Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 5600 days ago 414 posts - 543 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, German, French Studies: Japanese, Korean, Maori, Scottish Gaelic, Arabic (Levantine), Arabic (Egyptian), Arabic (Written) | Message 12 of 55 03 January 2011 at 4:44pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hey Préposition :) Wow I downloaded your plan to have a look, definitely intense! Good luck with it, I'm looking forward to picking some tips up from you :)
Buon Appetito sounds really cool, I love learning language through food, perhaps you will post one or two recipes here? :) Hmm maybe I can do something similar with French, that would be fun! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Préposition Diglot Senior Member France aspectualpairs.wordp Joined 5105 days ago 186 posts - 283 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC1 Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Swedish, Arabic (Levantine) | Message 13 of 55 03 January 2011 at 11:41pm | IP Logged | ||
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Monday 3rd January 2011:
- Michel Thomas Italian, Lesson 1 and 2 The first lesson was simply an explanation of the method, to which I'm already acquainted. The 2nd lesson started by showing similarities between English and Italian, like "vocabolario" means "vocabulary", or "possibile" means "possible". It then moved on to negate thing such as "It's possible" "Non è possibile", to then explain basic pronouns such as "me" (same, but pronounced "may"-ish) and "you" ("lei", and if I remember correctly, this is the polite form). I also learnt "like that/that way" ("cosi"), "why" ("perchè"), "probably" ("probabilmente") and "I'm sorry", which literally means "it displeases me" and is "mi dispiace" in Italian. Regarding Russian, I'm having a hard time getting myself to work. I love the language, and I don't even find the work that difficult, but revision is currently incredibly boring. I do need to revise because I forgot a lot of things, but going over things I used to know is actually annoying me, now. My other problem is that I discovered that I had Pocket Frogs on my iPod, and since then, breeding frogs seems a far more interesting activity than Russian. I knew Quizlet existed, but I only recently became interested in it. Indeed, I've got a couple of apps on my iPod that support Quizlet and let me download material from the website, so I created my own set of flashcards, and I will hopefully improve my vocabulary with it. I may slightly change my strategy from 21 words/day to a chapter of one of my lexicons a week, which may be easier and gives me (or leaves me with the impression that I have) more time. My first set is available here [http://quizlet.com/3893636/using-russian-unit-1-level-1-fla sh- cards/], and it's straight from Terence Wade's Using Russian Vocabulary. This is the 1st level of the 1st unit about towns, buildings, household and garden. - Russian revision - The nominative case I finally overcame my laziness and started revision. I did chapter 4, 5 and 6 of "Teach Yourself Russian Grammar", and those were about the nominative case. If you are not familiar with it, the nominative case is the "basic" case of Russian. It is used to describe the person or the thing doing the action of the verb. In English, for example, in the sentence "The cat eats the mouse", "cat" is the subject (or the person/thing the action of the verb, in this case the eating of the mouse). In russian, the subject takes the nominative. Luckily, the nominative is the form you will encounter the most frequently for it is the one used in dictionaries. Unfortunately, it means that if you find a word with another case ending, you may have troubles with it, but you can quickly guess which case it is when you know them! Anyway, back to the nominative, it is generally used to: - "name" the person or the thing doing the action of the verb: "Маша читает книгу." ("Masha reads a book.") - describe the possessed object in possessive construction (but only in the affirmative form!): "У меня есть машина." ("I have a car.") You can also find it in introductions, after "это" and "вот": "Ето моя книга." ("This is my book.") and "Вот Светлана, моя сестра." ("Here is Svetlana, my sister.") I generally associate "вот" with the French "voici" as it generally has the same meaning. And finally, it is used in comparative constructions, after чем, and in generalising constructions, after как: "Я старше чем Владимир." ("I am older than Vladimir.") and "Я хочу еда вкусная, как пицца." ("I want tasty food, such as pizza.") The case endings for nominative adjectives are: Masculine: ый, ий, ой Neuter: ое, ее Feminine: ая, яя Plural: ые, ие And for the nominative nouns: Masculine: consonnant, soft sign, й Feminine: а, я, soft sign, ия Neuter: о, е, ие Plural: ые, ие That's it for today! Tomorrow I'll carry on with cases, and I will start Arabic :) Edited by Préposition on 03 January 2011 at 11:42pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| joanthemaid Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5461 days ago 483 posts - 559 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Russian, German | Message 14 of 55 04 January 2011 at 12:03pm | IP Logged | ||
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O_O. I second meelämchen, this sound impressive. I hope you'll manage to stick to your plan, but you're right, even if you don't you'll still have accomplished a lot. I'm really jealous of your trip to Russia, although I guess I did my year abroad so I shouldn't complain. What course of studies do you do exactly? LEA? Master?
I probably won't be able to follow your log as I have my teammates, but I'll definitely take a look from time to time. You guys are going to have an impressive team (I've already seen Quabazaa at work, and wow. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Préposition Diglot Senior Member France aspectualpairs.wordp Joined 5105 days ago 186 posts - 283 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC1 Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Swedish, Arabic (Levantine) | Message 15 of 55 04 January 2011 at 1:40pm | IP Logged | ||
Haha, thanks! I do a BA in Russian and Arabic (basically a slightly more flexible LEA and without the English lessons that I couldn't stand in France) at university in the UK, and we have a whole year out, so I already spent a semester out in Syria for the Arabic side, and I have to complete the Russian side, before going back to uni to finish my degree :). I'll definitely keep an eye on yours too, and good luck again! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Préposition Diglot Senior Member France aspectualpairs.wordp Joined 5105 days ago 186 posts - 283 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC1 Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Swedish, Arabic (Levantine) | Message 16 of 55 05 January 2011 at 12:00am | IP Logged | ||
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Tuesday 4th January:
After a shorter night than usual, mainly thanks to my overloving cat, it's time for me to carry on with my TAC! Today's programme is to do chapter 1 and 2 of Al-Kitaab 1, and this is only revision, as I know the vocabulary and the grammar already, but it never hurts. I will do the accusative, genitive and dative cases today, and hopefully the pronouns, 1st and 2nd conjugations as well as the three tenses. For Italian, I'm still on Michel Thomas, and will try to do between 2 and 4 lessons, today. And finally, I will start learning my vocabulary, which is my biggest task! - Russian revision - The accusative case (TY Russian Grammar, chapters 7, 8 and 9) You know that a verb has a subject, the person or thing doing the action, for example the cat in "The cat eats the mouse.", but it also has objects. Objects can be direct, as would be the mouse in the previous sentence, because they relate directly to the verb, or indirect. Indirect objects, as we'll see later, are the nouns or pronouns receiving the direct object. Unfortunately my sentence doesn't work here anymore, so as a quick example, let's use "I gave Martha my phone." However, be careful, because this is a tricky sentence. You could think that Martha is the direct object and phone the indirect one, but if you turn the sentence round, you will see that "I gave my phone to Martha" is more easily analysed, and that "I" is the subject, "phone" is the direct object, and "Martha", who received my phone, is the indirect object. Back to Russian, where direct objects take the accusative case, but only when: # It's a transitive verb: "Маша читает книгу." ("Masha reads a book.") # In can also denote duration in time or in space: "Всю зиму было холодно." ("It was cold all winter.") or " Всю дорогу они шли молча." ("They walked in silence all the way.") # It can be used to express repetition: "Он болеет каждую весну." ("He's ill every spring.") # As well as to express cost, measure, weight, etc: "Книга стоит доллар."/"Уголь весит тонну." It is also used in impersonal constructions, but I will dedicate a part of my revision to this topic, and will therefore discuss it later! And finally, you need to know that accusative makes a difference between "animate" and "inanimate" nouns. It's very easy to understand, all things that move and are alive (animals and humans, but not plants) are animate. What doesn't move and is not alive (I don't think corpses fit in this category, rather in the other one) are inanimate. Except for feminine nouns and adjectives (discrimination, eh) the animate accusative has the same endings as the nominative case, and the inanimate accusative as the same endings as the genitive case that I will explain later on. Feminine nouns and adjectives have their own accusative case endings. EDIT: As ellasevia correctly spotted, there's a mistake in my explanations. For those who pay more attention to the crap I write than me, the animate accusative follows the genitive, and the inanimate the nominative. Extra lesson of the day: re-read what you writes, especially when it's such a basic rule and such a stupid mistake. The case endings for accusative adjectives are: Masculine: Animate follows the genitive, inanimate follows the nominative Neuter: Animate follows the genitive, inanimate follows the nominative Feminine: -ую, -юю, -ь Plural: Animate follows the genitive, inanimate follows the nominative And the case endings for accusative nouns are: Masculine: Animate follows the genitive, inanimate follows the nominative Neuter: Animate follows the genitive, inanimate follows the nominative Feminine: -у, -ю, -ь Plural: Animate follows the genitive, inanimate follows the nominative - Russian revision - The dative case (TY Russian Grammar, chapters 13 and 14) After discussing the direct object, it's time for me to talk about the indired object, the pronoun or noun that receives the direct object. You remember the sentence "I give my phone to Martha"? "Martha" is the receiver the the direct object (the phone), and wil therefore be in the dative case in Russian. There again, there are impersonal constructions with dative, so I'll discuss them later. What you need to remember about the dative is that: # It denotes the indirect object of a verb: "Я даю телефон* Владимиру." ("I give the phone to Vladimir.") *: Remember the direct object takes the accusative, and when it's inanimate, it follows the nominative case! # There is a list of verbs that take the dative, and I made it into a flashcards set you can find here # The list of adjectives taking the dative include the adjectives (short and long forms) in this set of flashcards. # As for accusative, you can use dative in impersonal construction. I will discuss them more in-depth in the near future, but you can use the dative to describe a feeling, a state of mind, and inclination… "Мне холодно." ("I am cold.") # Finally, dative can be used as a logical subject of the infinitive: "Не вам решть." ("It is not for you to decide.") - Russian revision - the 1st and 2nd conjugations This is an easy and nice point of grammar that I haven't entirely forgotten! A russian verb has a stem and an ending (so do most verbs in other languages!) and there are two main models of conjugation of verbs. The 1st conjugation's endings are: - ю - ешь - ет - ем - ете - ют (Sometimes е is ëшь, so ë, ëт, ëм, ëте) The 2nd conjugation's endings are: - ю - ишь - ит - им - ите - ят And of course, spelling rules apply for both. - Russian revision - Tenses If there's one thing for which Russian is easier than Italian or French, it's definitely the tenses! There are only three of them, thank god! You will find the past tense, the present tense and the future tense. I will not discuss aspects as it is my mission for next week, with verbs of motion, so here's how you make the tenses: # Past: Take the stem of the verb (for "читать - to read" it will be чит-) and add the first letter of the ending (in this case а), to which you will add -л for masculine, -ла for feminine, -ло for neuter and -ли for plural. Easy, isn't it? You with get читал, читала, читало and читали. # Present: I explained the 1st and 2nd conjugations earlier, and you've already got the most common endings! # Future: I will not take aspects into account, and will therefore only talk about imperfective. For imperfective verbs, all you need to do is add "быть" conjugated in front of the infinitive of the verb you want to make future: - я буду отдыхать - ты будешь отдыхать - она будет отдыхать - мы будем отдыхать - вы будете отдыхать - они будут отдыхать "Отдыхать" means to rest. - Russian revision - Pronouns And my last piece of Russian grammar for the day, as I will not do the genitive (it's too important), are pronouns. I am only focusing on personal pronouns, and will discuss other pronouns as revision goes. Nominative: Я ТЫ ОН-ОНА-ОНО МЫ ВЫ ОНИ Accusative/Genitive: МЕНЯ ТЕБЯ (Н)ЕГО/(Н)ЕË/(Н)ЕГО НАС ВАС (Н)ИХ Dative: МНЕ ТЕБЕ (Н)ЕМУ/(Н)ЕЙ/(Н)ЕМУ НАМ ВАМ (Н)ИМ Instrumental: МНОЙ ТОБОЙ (Н)ИМ/(Н)ЕЙ/(Н)ИМ НАМИ ВАМИ (Н)ИМИ Prepositional: МНЕ ТЕБЕ НËМ/НЕЙ/НËМ НАС ВАС НУХ - Michel Thomas Italian - Lesson 3 and 4 In this lesson, I learnt the words for later "tardi", the same "stessa/lo stesso", and play around with "voglio" (I want), "vuole" (do you want), the negation and other phrases like "comprare la stessa cosa". I'm also learning more verbs, such as to buy (comprare), to know (sapere), to want (volere). I am actually already ahead of my programme for Italian (not very difficult, haha), so I will only do two lessons for Italian today. It's now midnight and after a full day of language learning, I'm afraid I will have to leave Al-Kitaab for tomorrow, but I swear I'll get it done! Goodnight for now! :) Edited by Préposition on 05 January 2011 at 12:38am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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