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| The Stephen Diglot Groupie United States Joined 5043 days ago 65 posts - 77 votes  Speaks: English*, German Studies: Czech, Hungarian | Message 9 of 43 27 January 2011 at 6:33am | IP Logged | |||||
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Szia, everybody!
I'm definitely on the team. Let me know if there's anything official I need to do. I already feel a lot better about Hungarian now than just a couple of days ago. So...today I went over Assimil Hungarian lessons 8-10 and paid more attention to the parts I sort of skipped over before. Especially verbs and suffixes. Some verbs I remember: menni (to go) is irregular as is jönni (to come), lenni (to be) and enni (to eat). hozni (to bring) élni (to live) félni + -tól/től (to be afraid of) leülni (to sit) olvasni (to read) sétálni (to walk) Not sure about some of the -ni infinitives though (I think the book didn't include -ni in a couple of those). While typing this list I noted that I need to pay more attention to where the accents are. Some suffixes: ban/ben (inside) ba/be (going to something that one can then be inside of) on/en (to be on something) ra/re (going to something that one can then be on) böl/ből (from inside something) hoz/hez/höz (going to be "at" somewhere) I will review these lessons one more time tomorrow and then move on, as I know Assimil does not expect one to learn everything down pat in the first wave. Czech was more interesting today, as I did Unit 1 of Teach Yourself Czech. It covers all the basic greetings and pleasantries. Dobrý den/Dobré ráno/Dobrý večer - Good day/morning/evening Jak se máte? - How are you? Velmi (very) dobře/ Jde to (so-so)/špatně (bad) Na shledanou - Goodbye (can also attach time of day) And so on. I'll review it tomorrow and then take a look at Unit 2. Dobrou noc (where I am anyway), The Stephen Edited by The Stephen on 27 January 2011 at 6:34am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5340 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 10 of 43 28 January 2011 at 11:14am | IP Logged | |||||
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Welcome to Hungarian Team Ő!
The only official thing you have to do is go on the Team TAC 2011: Prepare yourselves thread near the top of the language learning log section and write on there that you have been invited and would like to join the Hungarian team. Then Ellasevia will add you to the list. You'll probably have to add the words TAC Team ő to your log title too. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| ellasevia Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2011 Senior Member Germany Joined 6133 days ago 2150 posts - 3229 votes Speaks: English*, German, Croatian, Greek, French, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Catalan, Persian, Mandarin, Japanese, Romanian, Ukrainian | Message 11 of 43 28 January 2011 at 11:58pm | IP Logged | |||||
Welcome to the TAC 2011 Team Challenge! I've been following your log too, so I actually saw this post before the one in the "Prepare Yourselves" thread. You've been added to the list for Team Ő, so all you need to do now is edit your first post to add that to your log's title. Sok szerencsét kivánok! Hodně štěstí! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| The Stephen Diglot Groupie United States Joined 5043 days ago 65 posts - 77 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Czech, Hungarian | Message 12 of 43 31 January 2011 at 12:05am | IP Logged | |||||
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Thanks guys! I'm excited to be an official member of something here already.
Perhaps because I've become an official member of Team Ő, I've been going pretty lightly on Czech the last day or two. I'm sticking to Unit 2 in TY Czech, mostly listening and trying to parse out all the different words. This particular unit seems to introduce quite a bit of new stuff so I'm taking it slow. Hungarian is a slightly different story. I've gone ahead with Lessons 15 & 16 as well has reviewed the previous 7 lessons (by listening but not looking at the text). Learned some new verbs and more adjectives to describe people. találni - to find keresni - to look for tudni- to know tetszik - to please táncolni - to dance (this one's actually a lot like in English) öltözik - to dress mergismerkedni - to meet (actually to become aquainted) közeledik - to approach szórakozni - to have fun kitűnő - great magas - tall barna - I think this actually is just brown the color, but it seems like if you use it within the context of a person it describes hair color szőke - blonde alacsony - short Also saw látok and látom. We're getting into the different conjugation systems. I'm a bit scared of that but I will soldier on. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 5064 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 13 of 43 31 January 2011 at 5:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Hi, just a suggestion! Why are all of you saying all the verbs in their infinitive form? It is a bad habit. The normal dictionary form of all Hungarian verbs is the 3rd Person Singular Present Tense Indicative Mood form. It is important for determining whether a vord is IKES or IKETLEN. From the infinitive form you cannot determine if a words is IKES or IKETLEN.
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| The Stephen Diglot Groupie United States Joined 5043 days ago 65 posts - 77 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Czech, Hungarian | Message 14 of 43 01 February 2011 at 2:20am | IP Logged | |||||
Hi maxval, Thanks a lot for the suggestion! I was wondering why the book wasn't giving the verbs in that form. Could you explain what IKES and IKETLEN are? Does that have to do with adding -ik in the third person singular? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 5064 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 15 of 43 01 February 2011 at 4:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
IKES IGÉK are those verbs that have -ik ending in the 3rd Person Singular Present Tense Indicative Mood. IKTELEN are those verbs that dont have -ik ending. IKES verbs had an important role in the Old Hungarian lamguage, in the 11th and 12th century. In the Old Hungarian there was no Definite and Indefinite Conjugation, and Accusativus was used only for definite objects. All indefinite objects were in Nominativus. There were IKES verbs for passive actions, while IKTELEN were for active actions, something like active and passive voice. Later, IKES verbs lost this function, now they can express any type of action. So IKES verbs remained in the system of the language, but without any separate function. IKES verbs had a separate type of conjugation in 1st and 3rd Person Singular Present Tense in all Moods! There was also a separated conjugation in 2nd Person Singular Present Tense Indicative Mood, but this was lost 500 years ago. Originally IKES verbs had -l ending, and IKTELEN verbs had -sz ending. These forms mixed up, and know all verbs ending in -dz / -s / -sz / -z use the former IKES conjugation, and all other verbs use the former IKTELEN conjugation, no matter if the verb is IKES or IKTELEN. Example: LAKIK - LAKSZ, because it doesnt end in -dz / -s / -sz / -z (before the -ik part) - originally it was LAKOL! ALSZIK - ALSZOL, because it ends in -dz / -s / -sz / -z (before the -ik part) but also: OLVAS - OLVASOL - originally it was OLVASOSZ! BESZÉL - BESZÉLSZ The process of losing the other forms of the IKES conjugation began 300 years ago. By now, most of the special IKES endings have fallen out of use. In more and more cases the IKES verbs are used with IKTELEN conjugation . Use of IKES conjugation in Conditional Mood now it is considered totally archaic both in spoken and written language. You need to know them only if want to read older texts. In the case of the Imperative Mood the form for the 1st Person is considered archaic and almost never can be heard. The form for the 3rd Person is a little bit less archaic, it can be heard in "high style", but gradually it becomeing more and more out of use. It remains in use only in the case of a few verbs as a kind of phrases, for example the verb TETSZIK will be in 3rd Person Present Tense Imperative Mood TESSÉK (this is the IKES conjugation) and not TESSEN (this is the IKTELEN conjugation), however now even the second version can be heard. The most important case is the 1st Person Singular Prsent Indicative. In this case older educated people will always use the IKES conjugation for IKES verbs. They will never say - in indefinite conjugation - ALSZOK, ISZOK, ESZEK, etc, they will say only ALSZOM, ISZOM, ESZEM. But younger people make no distinction. So this is the form that dying out in the present days. The only form when IKES verbs always use the IKES conjugation is the 3rd Person Singular Indicative. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| The Stephen Diglot Groupie United States Joined 5043 days ago 65 posts - 77 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Czech, Hungarian | Message 16 of 43 08 February 2011 at 11:30pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Hi all,
I hope you haven't given up on me yet! I've had a very, very long week but I've been able to cram in a little of my studies, but haven't been able to post anything. I'll go into more details a little later today. Just checking in. Stephen 1 person has voted this message useful |
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