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| magictom123 Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5584 days ago 272 posts - 365 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, French | Message 1 of 8 18 August 2011 at 9:59am | IP Logged |
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Hello, or should I say Saluton!
After having a brief look at Esperanto last year, recently I decided I want to become fluent in it (let's say C1 for these purposes) - as quickly as possible. In true internet language learning style, I am giving myself 3 months to do it in. I started studying Esperanto on 28/07/11. That's 3 weeks ago today. I initially started with Kurso de Esperanto and found it useful but not having a tutor mean't I didn't have anyone to correct any errors. Of course I have been on lernu and I've pretty much gone through one of the easy courses, as well as spending time in the chat room there. After doing some research to find the best way to achieve fluency in Esperanto quickly (at home), I discovered that there is a Teach Yourself Esperanto book, which I now have in my possession. I think in part due to the regular grammar of Esperanto, the TY book has been excellent. I have worked through the first 4 chapters (I'm reviewing chapter's 3 and 4 now) and believe if I complete this book with sufficient reviews I will be pretty close to where I want to be. My main problem is that it appears after some initial searching to be quite difficult to find people to practise speaking with over skype. So, if anyone reading this fancies helping me out and getting some practise themselves, then please let me know. Let's see how this goes. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6461 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 2 of 8 18 August 2011 at 11:10am | IP Logged |
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What's your Skype name?
Also, did you know that on Lernu you can request a free "lingvohelpanto", a human tutor who will correct your exercises and answer your questions? 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| magictom123 Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5584 days ago 272 posts - 365 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, French | Message 3 of 8 18 August 2011 at 10:13pm | IP Logged |
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Hi Sprachprofi,
Thank you for the information regarding the tutor's that are available on Lernu - I was not aware of that. I have used the chat room quite a bit and have picked up little things from there. My skype name is: magictom1234. So far, over the last few weeks I have watched the first 11 parts of 'Pasporto al la tuta mondo' via Youtube. I believe that is the first DVD. Since I think I've studied beyond the level of language used in the first lessons my level of comprehension is really high. This is a big motivational boost. I have also looked at 'Jen nia mondo' and have had a listen to the Assimil Esperanto audio (it's terrible). My main study aid will be the TY book as I said above. I did a rough count up of the vocab listed in the back of the book and I think it teaches around 1700 words. I am no expert on counting words but if I take a word like sana (healthy) for instance, this is shown in the vocab list but related words from the root 'sani' (also not listed) such as 'sane' are missing so I believe working through the book might result in actually thousands more words being learn't due to the apparently easy word building feature of Esperanto plus the regular nature of it's grammar. I have also compiled a play list of Esperanto music from Youtube which I have listened to quite a bit. I have watched some Youtube video's of Esperanto speaker's. I hope to have completed my review of chapter 4 by tomorrow. Having scanned through the book earlier this evening I can see that later chapters include some things I have already studied - like cardinal numbers, days of the week etc. It will be good to study them systematically though and so far I have enjoyed the translation exercises from the book. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| magictom123 Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5584 days ago 272 posts - 365 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, French | Message 4 of 8 22 August 2011 at 10:05am | IP Logged |
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Right, over the weekend I managed to complete my review of the first 4 chapters of TY
Esperanto. I think I have got most of the vocabulary down pat now. The thing I will say about learning Esperanto is that it has definitely increased my knowledge on grammatical terminology. I have never been a big fan of technical details but since the language is so regular, it makes sense to describe grammar directly - with examples, rather than a watered-down user friendly approach that you may come across with another language. I have learnt about the direct and indirect object. This is something I was previously only vaguely aware of. I also find the free word order in Esperanto interesting. I think I have got my head around the use of the -n to show the object in a sentence. In future, when I want to give German a good crack, I think having covered this in Esperanto first will help enormously. Yesterday I also watched another 2 or 3 Youtube clips of 'Pasporto al la tuta mondo' I am on part 4 of the 2nd DVD now. The acting is dodgy but the video's are great. I am quite happy with the level of language I am able to produce (talking to myself) after only a short amount of time. Some of the correlatives are giving me a little bit of trouble. Thankfully, the TY book introduces them bit by bit, which I prefer to having them just thrown at you as is the case in some other courses I have looked at. Ah well, onto chapter 5 now... Edited by magictom123 on 22 August 2011 at 10:14am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6461 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 5 of 8 22 August 2011 at 12:16pm | IP Logged |
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Some grammar points, like the correlatives (table words), can be an annoyance when you
learn them, but once you memorize the various prefixes and endings, they don't trouble you anymore. You can even start to use them expressively, like "Tielas vivo" (tiel = so, this way). Even though memorizing the way the -n works is not difficult at all, it is easy to forget to apply it, and that's an issue that tends to stay with people longer than any other grammatical difficulty. Still, the -n is vital to Esperanto's expressiveness. Read the poem at http://www.transparent.com/esperanto/in-defense-of-the-accus ative/ . How do you find the affixes, like mal-, -eg- and so on? In my experience, these are the key to speaking Esperanto fluently. Master them to the point that your brain comes up with affixed words without conscious effort, and you'll never be seen struggling for words - plus this gains you the ability to express your thoughts better in Esperanto than in your native language. I'm in the process of writing a webpage just for learning the affixes, but in the meantime you can use the exercises on my blog, at http://www.learnlangs.com/blog/2009/12/30/practise-esperanto -affixes/ . 4 persons have voted this message useful | |
| magictom123 Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5584 days ago 272 posts - 365 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, French | Message 6 of 8 23 August 2011 at 11:35pm | IP Logged |
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Thanks for the links.
As I continue to speak to myself, I am becoming slightly more at ease with the few correlatives the TY has concentrated on so far. As for the affixes, some (like mal- for example) have been relatively straight forward to begin using. With the others (-ul, -et etc) it has not really been the case that I have struggled to memorise them. Instead, I think it is just a lack of practise of free flowing speech which is making things move a little slower. I am happy with how things are coming along so far and I think to celebrate a month of learning Esperanto, I am going to try and upload a video before Thursday of me speaking Esperanto to Youtube, if only to act as a marker of my progress. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| remush Tetraglot Groupie Belgium remush.beRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6259 days ago 79 posts - 94 votes Speaks: French*, Esperanto, English, Dutch Studies: German, Polish | Message 7 of 8 24 August 2011 at 4:08pm | IP Logged |
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List of words to learn first:
remush.be/tezauro/Kontakto.html The list of people using Skype is at: f1.grp.yahoofs.com Remush (Skype; RemushBE) 3 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6461 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 8 of 8 24 August 2011 at 4:26pm | IP Logged |
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Thank you so much for hosting that list, and in a much nicer format than before. The list
at lujz.org was broken; now I updated the link in my blog as well. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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