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| Kartof Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5066 days ago 391 posts - 550 votes  Speaks: English*, Bulgarian*, Spanish Studies: Danish | Message 1 of 22 24 September 2011 at 3:39am | IP Logged | ||
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I currently have my plate full of languages that I'm learning/should be learning. However, for future reference, I
was wondering which slavic language would be the easiest to learn from the point of view of Bulgarian. I'm aware that Serbian and Russian are closest in terms of vocabulary but the grammars of both of these languages are very different than that of Bulgarian. Based on the vocabulary, grammar, and phonology of different slavic languages, which would be most similar to Bulgarian? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Merv Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5273 days ago 414 posts - 749 votes Speaks: English*, Serbo-Croatian* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 2 of 22 24 September 2011 at 5:58am | IP Logged | ||
Overall, the geographically closer one - Serbian. Vocabulary-wise, Bulgarian and Serbian descend from old south Slavic (today called Old Bulgarian), which also gave rise to Old Church Slavonic. Russian has lots of Old Church Slavonic influence via the church but the core is based on Old Russian. Grammar-wise, Serbian and Russian would be closer to each other than either is to Bulgarian. Bulgarian has stronger verb tenses, but lacks the cases present in both. Also has more of the Balkan sprachbund (along with Romanian, Albanian, and Greek) going on, whereas Serbian has less of that influence. Phonology-wise, Russian seems to have more palatalization and "schwa" and is not as phonetic. Serbian is perfectly phonetic and has less pronounced palatalization but has tone accents, which do not exist in Russian or Bulgarian. Edited by Merv on 24 September 2011 at 5:59am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5056 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 3 of 22 24 September 2011 at 10:21am | IP Logged | ||
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Certainly Macedonian. Serbian will be closer, of course, but not significantly.
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| prz_ Tetraglot Senior Member Poland last.fm/user/prz_rul Joined 4859 days ago 890 posts - 1190 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Bulgarian, Croatian Studies: Slovenian, Macedonian, Persian, Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian, Dutch, Swedish, German, Italian, Armenian, Kurdish | Message 4 of 22 24 September 2011 at 11:09am | IP Logged | ||
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Of course Macedonian.
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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5056 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 5 of 22 24 September 2011 at 11:27am | IP Logged | ||
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I meant that Serbian was closer than other Slavic languages becides Macedonian.
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| Kartof Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5066 days ago 391 posts - 550 votes Speaks: English*, Bulgarian*, Spanish Studies: Danish | Message 6 of 22 24 September 2011 at 12:01pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks for your input Merv. I've been curious, what are tonal accents in Serbian? Are they like Swedish tones or
something completely different? Macedonian was left out of the question purposefully since learning it would really only mean learning the Serbian variation of Cyrillic, learning a few new grammatical constructions, and adjusting my ears to the fixed stress. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Merv Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5273 days ago 414 posts - 749 votes Speaks: English*, Serbo-Croatian* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 7 of 22 24 September 2011 at 5:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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Speaking from a Serbian-speaker's perspective, Macedonian sounds the same as Bulgarian. From what I've heard
it's practically the same language, grammatically-speaking, with some Serbian orthographic and lexical influences? Yeah, that's why I didn't even mention Macedonian. Like Swedish or Japanese pitch accent. People will understand you if you do not master them (nothing like Chinese) but it will always sound a bit off. The four accents are short rising, short falling, long rising, long falling. Short vs. long gives you the length distinction and rising vs. falling tells you how the pitch goes while you are producing the sound. The most classic example is the word for pot, lonac. In the singular nominative, it is lònac, which has a short rising sound to it. In the singular genitive, it is lónca, which has a long rising sound to it. In the plural nominative, it is lȏnci, which has a long falling sound to it. In the plural genitive, it is lȍnācā, which has a short falling sound to it. That's kind of the tricky part, because as words are declined the accent can shift in pitch and duration or can even fall on another syllable. To give you a sentence example, "Yes, it's time he gives it" would be "Da, vreme je da da to." The first "da" is dȁ and means "yes", the second "da" is dà and means "to", and the third "da" is dȃ and means give. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5056 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 8 of 22 24 September 2011 at 6:07pm | IP Logged | ||
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Do all Serbs distinguish between tones and vowel lenth?
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