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| anamsc Triglot Senior Member Andorra Joined 6194 days ago 296 posts - 382 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish, Catalan Studies: Arabic (Levantine), Arabic (Written), French | Message 1 of 7 22 June 2011 at 5:52am | IP Logged | ||
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A veure si encara puc escriure en català...
Aquest setembre, potser que me'n vagi a viure a Andorra. Fa més de dos anys que no parlo res de català (amb la excepció de unes quantes converses en festes o així) i em falta molta pràctica! Havia pensat que encara que ja el parlo molt malament, podien entendre'l perfectament, però tras veure uns programes de televisió i escoltar uns podcasts, ja no crec que sigui així. Per tant, en vull practicar una mica més abans d'anar-me'n a Andorra (si és que hi vaig). També sé que en apendré molt més quan estigui a Andorra (si hi vaig), i per tant espero seguir amb aquest log també si visc a Andorra. Además del catalán, también quiero repasar un poco el español. Ya sé que es menos importante que el catalán en Andorra, pero por otra parte es más fácil repasarlo aquí fuera del mundo hispanoparlante. Así es que quiero ir incorporándolo poco a poco en mi vida. Finally, I feel like I should learn some French and Portuguese. Other people who I have talked to who live in Andorra have told me that very few people speak French as their preferred language there, and that while there are more native Portuguese speakers, they almost all speak Catalan. However, it seems like if I live in Andorra, it might be a good opportunity to learn some French (because of the closeness to France -- if I end up going to Andorra, I hella plan on visiting Toulouse often) and Portuguese (because of the relatively large amount of native speakers). As of right now, I have no definitive plans for learning; I just want to kind of incorporate the languages into my daily life a bit. And like I said, if I do end up leaving I want to keep up a log, just because I know my favorite logs on here are those of people who a) are in the country where their target language is spoken, or b) are aiming for native or near-native fluency (which is eventually what I want to reach in Spanish at least). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6694 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 2 of 7 22 June 2011 at 8:16am | IP Logged | ||
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Jo crec que hi hagi tant de estranys hispano- o francoparlants en Andorra que es podria viure allà sense conèixer l'idioma local. Així que és molt simpàtic que anamsc pren seriosament el català - i pel que sembla també l'ho ha fet abans.
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| anamsc Triglot Senior Member Andorra Joined 6194 days ago 296 posts - 382 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Catalan Studies: Arabic (Levantine), Arabic (Written), French | Message 3 of 7 25 June 2011 at 6:19am | IP Logged | ||
Hola! Si, hi estic d'acord; el català a Andorra no crec que sigui imprescindible. Però em vull integrar si és possible, i segons m'han dit el català és la llengua normal a Andorra -- per això intento estudiar-lo. De fet, em fa vergonya parlar tan malament el català ja que vaig viure un any a Catalunya! Aquesta vegada penso pendre'l més seriosament :). Com has aprés el català? Has viscut en un país català? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| anamsc Triglot Senior Member Andorra Joined 6194 days ago 296 posts - 382 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Catalan Studies: Arabic (Levantine), Arabic (Written), French | Message 4 of 7 25 June 2011 at 4:42pm | IP Logged | ||
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At this stage in my Spanish career, I think one of my main challenges is vocabulary. It's not that I don't have a
large vocabulary -- in fact, having what I think is a pretty large vocabulary for a second language learner is a big part of the problem. What is really difficult now is figuring out what words I don't know. I'm past the point where wordlists and things like that really help me, because the words on those are usually beginner / intermediate vocabulary. And I'm not talking about advanced, GRE-type words (although those are important as well). For example, the other day I learned the Spanish words for "spark plug." That is not a word that I think I ever would have realized that I didn't know how to say -- I can't drive, I know nothing about cars, etc. I doubt I've ever said "spark plug" in a conversation in English. However, if someone had said it to me, I would have understood it without a problem. I know that there are hella words like that out there, and that even though I don't have a problem saying what I want to say most times in Spanish, there is still a huge gulf between me and a native speaker vocabulary-wise. Does anybody have any suggestions for how to improve my vocabulary? At the moment, I am trying to get sort of "medium-brow" input -- I read a Spanish women's magazine (Vanidades), watch sitcoms (Qué vida más triste and La tira), read the Spanish translation of the xkcd cartoon, and try to make sure I know what the article of the day on Spanish Wikipedia is talking about. I also try to be conscious, when I'm thinking or talking or listening in English, of whether I would know how to translate everything into Spanish, although that's harder to do because most of the time when I am communicating in English I am concentrating on other things than my language learning endeavors. Any advice on this subject would be appreciated! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| July Diglot Senior Member Spain Joined 5264 days ago 113 posts - 208 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishB2 Studies: French | Message 5 of 7 25 June 2011 at 10:17pm | IP Logged | ||
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At the moment, I'm trying to improve my passive vocabulary by going though a book I love,
a chapter at a time, picking out the words that I don't recognize instantly and feeding them into ANKI. It's amazing how many words you realize that you avoid noticing as you read because they don't actually change the meaning of the sentence, but are simply there to add some colour to the proceedings. For example, today I realized that I didn't instantly know the verb 'haraganear' or what 'un brebaje' was. I love re-reading the chapters and realizing that I now completely understand every single word! It might be worth a try with a favourite book. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| anamsc Triglot Senior Member Andorra Joined 6194 days ago 296 posts - 382 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Catalan Studies: Arabic (Levantine), Arabic (Written), French | Message 6 of 7 29 June 2011 at 6:45am | IP Logged | ||
Hi July, thanks for the advice! It seems like you are doing something similar to me. You're right, it's so easy to just figure out a word from context while reading and then just sort of forget it later. And also thanks for putting those words there (haraganear and brebaje) -- two more additions to my flashcards! How long have you been learning Spanish? How have you learned it? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| anamsc Triglot Senior Member Andorra Joined 6194 days ago 296 posts - 382 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Catalan Studies: Arabic (Levantine), Arabic (Written), French | Message 7 of 7 29 June 2011 at 6:53am | IP Logged | ||
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I had a thought that it might be helpful, for anybody who is possibly reading this log, for me to list some of the
vocabulary I have learned. At least, I think I would find that helpful in a log! This way, even if you aren't learning Spanish, perhaps you can be like, "Oh, I don't know that word in my target language, I'm about to look it up!" So here are some of the words I have come across in the past couple of days: amañar -- to fix (for example, a sporting event), to tamper with amortizar -- to recoup the cost of chapucero -- shoddy como la copa de un pino -- a whopper of... DEP -- rest in peace (descanse en paz) el / la terrícola -- earthling el almizcle -- musk el bisel -- beveled edge el estiércol -- manure el fleco -- fringe el salero -- salt shaker la radiestesia -- dowsing los tórtolos -- lovebirds I have to give a disclaimer -- sorry if the translations are not perfect or anything like that, or if the words are too easy! 1 person has voted this message useful |
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