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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6010 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes  Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 33 of 42 28 June 2011 at 9:50am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Machine teaching is fundamentally different from machine translation in that the "teacher" can control the language much more closely. Yes, that means you'll be working with a constrained vocabulary, but the principles of language are fairly consistent, so you can learn most of them without using many words. In fact, it's arguable better to learn them with a constrained vocabulary, as using too many words can often make it harder to spot common lexical bundles or whatever.
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| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4908 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 34 of 42 28 June 2011 at 10:47am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I think that's quite right. The learner needs to start with a limited set of ways to say things, which can slowly grow as contact with the language increases. Depending on why you're learning the language, you are probably going to need to leave off learning from a computer, however good a simulation it is, and start speaking with real people. People make minor "errors" all the time, and you need to get used to hearing them. For example, I recently heard a French speaker pronounce the e at the end of banque in one sentence, then leave it off in the next. Language is messy in practice. But there is "messiness" which is acceptable to a native and "messiness" which would just be wrong. Computers which could handle that sort of subtlety are a bit further off. So we are left with the need to speak with natives in real life situations. Unless speaking with real people was never part of your intention. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| DavidW Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6525 days ago 318 posts - 458 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French, Italian, Persian, Malay Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Portuguese, German, Urdu | Message 35 of 42 28 June 2011 at 6:06pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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What is Machine teaching? Something like an FSI course? Is there anything useful today's
technology can add to this basic formula (apart from maybe video format or perhaps VR)? I guess any questions a 'teacher' asks you must be very narrow in scope, and you must basically correct and grade yourself. Edited by DavidW on 28 June 2011 at 6:08pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4908 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 36 of 42 28 June 2011 at 6:19pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
We're talking about the future. But I hope it'll be like FSI (e.g. free!) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5380 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 38 of 42 29 June 2011 at 12:46am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
You don't have to know it's tracking your shortcomings; there are subtle ways to reintroduce key topics or present positive reinforcement. Expect it will do it very efficiently and systematically. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6702 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 39 of 42 29 June 2011 at 12:59am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Thinking of machines ... I have read that about experiments which had the purpose of elucidating the excellent memories of some savants. The professor in question (a wizened little wizard with his hat turned the wrong way) discovered that if you block some centres in the brain with magnetic pulses then your test persons acquire intermittently some of the characteristics of savants, including artistic faculties and a 'sticky' memory. Which might give some smart guy the clue to invent a 'memory hat' which you can put on, and then you learn your 717 words for that day in a flash, after which you take off the hat and your brain resumes normal functioning mode - but hopefully 717 words richer.
OK, I'm normally not the one to try out all the newest gadgets before anybody else, and in this case this conservative attitude may be the wiser one. Edited by Iversen on 29 June 2011 at 1:02am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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