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Spiderkat
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02 September 2011 at 12:04am | IP Logged

Arekkusu wrote:

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This causes, for instance, parlerai/parlerais to often be misspelled, something that is a lot less common in Canada because the distinction is maintained.

I think the problem has to do with the fact that some people write "je -rai" instead of "je -rais" and vice versa simply because they don't bother using the proper tense or have no clue why it should be that tense or this tense. They just write phonetically and butcher the grammar the way it suits them.

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Message 10 of 21

02 September 2011 at 2:32am | IP Logged

@Arekkusu

Thanks for the answer.

Jeffers wrote:

Sorry, but I don't get this. There are three words in the first
section, and neither of the next two ends in "ait". Am I missing something?

I originally had 4 words in the first list, but I figured that "ait" and "aient" at the
end of a word would be pronounced just like one another, so I removed "aient" without
changing the sentence after it.

The next two were something I wanted to compare to each other, because they had the
same number of syllables and had similar endings.

"Er", "ez" and "ai" match each other in pronunciation in the given examples.

"Ait" and "ais" (and I'm assuming "aient") match each other in pronunciation in the
given examples as well.
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Message 11 of 21

02 September 2011 at 3:00am | IP Logged

Spiderkat wrote:

Arekkusu wrote:

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This causes, for instance, parlerai/parlerais to often be misspelled, something that is a lot less common in
Canada because the distinction is maintained.

I think the problem has to do with the fact that some people write "je -rai" instead of "je -rais" and vice
versa simply because they don't bother using the proper tense or have no clue why it should be that tense
or this tense. They just write phonetically and butcher the grammar the way it suits them.

I was referring to native speakers. They wouldn't mix, say, nous parlerons and parlerions.
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02 September 2011 at 6:32am | IP Logged

Arekkusu wrote:

Spiderkat wrote:

Arekkusu wrote:

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This causes, for instance, parlerai/parlerais to often be misspelled, something that is a lot less common in
Canada because the distinction is maintained.

I think the problem has to do with the fact that some people write "je -rai" instead of "je -rais" and vice
versa simply because they don't bother using the proper tense or have no clue why it should be that tense
or this tense. They just write phonetically and butcher the grammar the way it suits them.

I was referring to native speakers. They wouldn't mix, say, nous parlerons and parlerions.

No, they wouldn't but who knows. I was also referring to native speakers unfortunately, and I was talking only about "je" since it was instanced.
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Message 13 of 21

02 September 2011 at 3:26pm | IP Logged

Spiderkat wrote:

Arekkusu wrote:

Spiderkat wrote:

Arekkusu wrote:

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This causes, for instance, parlerai/parlerais to often be misspelled, something that is a lot less common in
Canada because the distinction is maintained.

I think the problem has to do with the fact that some people write "je -rai" instead of "je -rais" and vice
versa simply because they don't bother using the proper tense or have no clue why it should be that tense
or this tense. They just write phonetically and butcher the grammar the way it suits them.

I was referring to native speakers. They wouldn't mix, say, nous parlerons and parlerions.

No, they wouldn't but who knows. I was also referring to native speakers unfortunately, and I was talking only about "je" since it was instanced.

The é/è process occurs in all contexts, not just with verbs. It's a phonological process and has nothing to do with grammar.
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Spiderkat
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02 September 2011 at 4:53pm | IP Logged

Arekkusu wrote:

Spiderkat wrote:

Arekkusu wrote:

Spiderkat wrote:

Arekkusu wrote:

....
This causes, for instance, parlerai/parlerais to often be misspelled, something that is a lot less common in
Canada because the distinction is maintained.

I think the problem has to do with the fact that some people write "je -rai" instead of "je -rais" and vice
versa simply because they don't bother using the proper tense or have no clue why it should be that tense
or this tense. They just write phonetically and butcher the grammar the way it suits them.

I was referring to native speakers. They wouldn't mix, say, nous parlerons and parlerions.

No, they wouldn't but who knows. I was also referring to native speakers unfortunately, and I was talking only about "je" since it was instanced.

The é/è process occurs in all contexts, not just with verbs. It's a phonological process and has nothing to do with grammar.

I didn't say it has anything to do with grammar. I simply brought to this particular grammar exemple which you brought up in the first place a different explanation based on what I've noticed many times.

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Message 15 of 21

07 September 2011 at 8:59am | IP Logged

Dr. POW wrote:

"Er", "ez" and "ai" match each other in pronunciation in the given examples.

It's wrong.

There are two sounds as follows.

Bass sound : è, ê, es, est, -ai, -ais, -ait, -aît, -êt
Acute sound : -é, -és, -ée, -ées, -er, et, -ez

Edited by Voxel on 07 September 2011 at 9:09am
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Message 16 of 21

07 September 2011 at 1:05pm | IP Logged

Voxel wrote:

Dr. POW wrote:

"Er", "ez" and "ai" match each other in pronunciation in the given examples.

It's wrong.

There are two sounds as follows.

Bass sound : è, ê, es, est, -ai, -ais, -ait, -aît, -êt
Acute sound : -é, -és, -ée, -ées, -er, et, -ez

-ai = -é
Check Le petit Robert if you aren't sure. And we are talking about verbs, by the way.

Edited by Arekkusu on 07 September 2011 at 1:06pm

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