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| Voxel Newbie France Joined 4854 days ago 31 posts - 45 votes Speaks: French* Studies: Russian | Message 17 of 21 07 September 2011 at 3:34pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
In standard french (spoken in France) -ai always sounds /ɛ/ except in faisons, faisions, faisiez and faisant where it became /ə/. Le Petit Robert and TLFI are not reliable for pronunciation. ;) Edited by Voxel on 07 September 2011 at 3:49pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5381 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes  Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 18 of 21 07 September 2011 at 3:48pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
"-ai" with a hyphen implies that "ai" is at the end of a verb. Specifically, this refers to the 1st person singular form of the futur simple or passé simple -- eg. je parlai, je parlerai. In these words, "-ai" is pronounced as é in standard French. However, as I said before in this thread, many European dialects tend to lose the é/è distinction in word final position. And second, Standard French is one thing, and the French spoken in France is another. Le Petit Robert may not represent how French is spoken everywhere in France, but it IS a reliable source of information about Standard French. Edited by Arekkusu on 07 September 2011 at 3:59pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Voxel Newbie France Joined 4854 days ago 31 posts - 45 votes Speaks: French* Studies: Russian | Message 19 of 21 08 September 2011 at 9:22am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Oui j'ai bien compris que vous parliez de la terminaison. Peu importe que ce soit une terminaison, "ai" se prononce toujours /ɛ/ (sauf dans les cas que j'ai mentionnés plus haut), même à la première personne du singulier du passé simple ou du futur simple.
J'ai vérifié dans le Bescherelle Orthographe, il donne /ɛ/. Les gens qui prononcent /e/ en fin de mot ou ailleurs, c'est parce qu'ils ont un accent étranger, ils ne parlent pas le français standard mais le français international. En français standard il n'y a qu'une seule prononciation possible, si ton dictionnaire indique autre chose c'est qu'il est mauvais. Edited by Voxel on 08 September 2011 at 9:36am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4844 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 20 of 21 08 September 2011 at 3:07pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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As far as I know, the -ai in e. g. parlerai used to be pronounced [e] while the -ais in parlerais used to be pronounced [ɛ], in standard French as well as in international French. But this distinction has ceased, nowadays -ai as well as -ais are being pronounced [ɛ]. At least that's what my French teacher told me when I was still at school. She still had learned to distinguish between -ai and -ais while we learned that there was no distinction any more.
It's the same with English "I shall go" and "I will go". Our English teacher still had learned to always use "I shall go" while we ourselves learned "I will go". Edited by Josquin on 08 September 2011 at 3:08pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Dr. POW Groupie Canada Joined 4965 days ago 48 posts - 58 votes Studies: German, English* Studies: French | Message 21 of 21 11 September 2011 at 5:27am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
"In France, Standard French is based on the pronunciation and vocabulary used in the formal registers of the French of Metropolitan France, dominated by Paris and called "Parisian French" while not taking into account the multiple other registers used daily in the nation's capital. In Quebec, Standard French is more often called "international French" or "Radio Canada French" owing to decades of a foreign, European pronunciation dominating both news and cultural broadcasts up until the 1970s. In the rest of Francophone Canada, the spoken and written varieties of formal Quebec French as well as language in Government of Canada documents and speeches are viewed as Standard French. Linguists have been debating what actually consistitutes the norm for Standard French in Quebec and Canada on a lexical level since research to date has concentrated much more on the differences from informal varieties of Quebec French and Acadian French. Since French-speaking Canadians use reference works written by the French, by Belgians, and by reputed Canadian linguists and lexicographers alike, the answers concerning an endogenous norm are not always apparent." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_French It states that Standard French is considered something else in Quebec than it is in France. I don't exactly know if this is true, and I actually do not agree with it. However, this is similar to debates between American English and British English. It's "spelt" and not "spelled", or it's "a herb" and not "an herb". Just because one dialect follows a certain rule does not mean all of them do. Edited by Dr. POW on 11 September 2011 at 5:27am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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