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Question to Esperantists - Its cleverness | ||
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| Maximus Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6753 days ago 417 posts - 427 votes  Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Thai | Message 1 of 18 19 April 2009 at 9:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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I have always disliked the idea of conlangs and still don't think that I would learn one. I don't feel I have reason to as there are already many fine natural languages out there. I particularly like non-indoeauropean languages. I personally have interest in distant and unrelated languages because I have a fascination with learning new grammar which is novel to me. I also like to compare languages and feel which appears to be best for the ease of expression, et cetera.
I have heared a lot of talk about how clever the conlang Esperanto is and about how good it is for expression. I have been told that it has many unique features which are really ingenious and convenient. I have even had one eager Esperantist tell me that some of it feels as if it were magical. I am always doubtful about these kinds of claims. So I would like any of the Esperanto enthusiasts here to share the unique and clever points of Esperanto and give concrete examples with translations. Anything including grammatical forms/ features, building up vocabulary, making new words. Whatever point it may be. Anything you find particularly clever and amazing about the language. Please explain anything you find unique about the language. Remember to include concrete examples. Also could you comment on which other languages the particular feature ocurrs if any if the same feature does ocurr in any other languages you know? Or even if you have read that the same feature ocurrs in another language? I know that a lot of people are passionate about conlangs. So this is the thread where you guys can express your passion here. See if you can capture my interest in the language and persuade me that it is interesting and unique! Edited by Maximus on 19 April 2009 at 9:14pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Alkeides Senior Member Bhutan Joined 6152 days ago 636 posts - 644 votes | Message 2 of 18 20 April 2009 at 1:28pm | IP Logged | ||
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The only conlang I have any intention of studying is Ithkuil. From what little I've read about Esperanto, its agglutinative features and (optional) use of aspects are of aid in further study of natural languages which have those features, but that's just it, these features can be found in those natural languages anyway, there's nothing unique to Esperanto. The best reason to learn a conlang in mine eyes, is for something that is unique to that language or extremely rare in natural languages.
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 Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5851 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 3 of 18 20 April 2009 at 4:12pm | IP Logged | ||
In this thread you are speaking about "conlangs". What is a "conlang"? I don't understand the word. Please explain it in English or give me a German/Dutch translation. Thanks! Fasulye-Babylonia Edited by Fasulye on 20 April 2009 at 4:13pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5770 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 4 of 18 20 April 2009 at 4:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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Constructed language/künstliche Sprache. As opposed to natural language. Any kind of language deliberatley planned to suit a certain need ("Welthilfssprachen"; secret/code languages and probably some others) Edited by Bao on 20 April 2009 at 4:27pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5851 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 5 of 18 20 April 2009 at 4:33pm | IP Logged | ||
I know the German expression "Plansprache", so this is called "conlang" in English. When reading about Esperanto (I am an Esperantist myself) the texts always used the term "Plansprache". Fasulye-Babylonia Edited by Fasulye on 20 April 2009 at 4:35pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5770 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 6 of 18 20 April 2009 at 4:40pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think it's just one of the possible ways to say it, plus it short, sounds cool and outsiders don't necessarily understand it. (I only understand words like that thanks to Japanese.)
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| sigiloso Heptaglot Groupie Portugal Joined 6783 days ago 87 posts - 103 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, PortugueseC1, Galician, French, Esperanto, Italian Studies: Russian, Greek | Message 7 of 18 20 April 2009 at 9:19pm | IP Logged | ||
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xxxx Edited by sigiloso on 02 February 2010 at 6:59pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5842 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian | Message 8 of 18 29 April 2009 at 1:19am | IP Logged | ||
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I used to think it was silly too.
Until I stumbled across some webpages in Esperanto and found that I could understand a lot of it! Without any prior knowledge! There is something very FAIR about a language where everybody is starting from the same point. +Nobody has an unfair advantage. +No nation is culturally dominating any other through a conlang. +Nobody can be offended by the choice of language if it is a conlang. +Significantly less time is wasted on learning the "lingua franca" if it was Esperanto instead of English. +Esperanto has easier words, better grammar and no complicated sayings or illogical spelling. When I think about the blood, sweat and tears I have spent on learning English I just feel like crying! And people in the English speaking world get that huge advantage for free! They can go all their lives without learning a foreign language unless they want to! 1 person has voted this message useful |
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