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qklilx Moderator United States Joined 6190 days ago 459 posts - 477 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Korean Personal Language Map
| Message 25 of 45 03 August 2009 at 12:22am | IP Logged |
Sprachprofi wrote:
It's at 9pm CET (Berlin, Paris, ...), so that would make it 8pm London time, 7pm GMT without daylight savings, 3pm EST. When you are logged in, Edufire shows you the times in your local time zone. Otherwise I believe it defaults to San Francisco time, not sure, it doesn't do any detection afaik. |
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Well I don't have an Edufire account. Sorry for such ignorant questions, but do I need to sign up to watch your lecture? And I live in Hawaii, so would that mean I need to tune in at 9AM on the 9th? It's a real shame Edufire doesn't LABEL THE TIME...
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| icing_death Senior Member United States Joined 5865 days ago 296 posts - 302 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 26 of 45 03 August 2009 at 2:49am | IP Logged |
cordelia0507 wrote:
OMG, according to some sources online the US and UK are ACTIVELY working AGAINST
Esperanto because usage of English as a world language makes enormous sums for these countries every
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Why is that worth an OMG? If they weren't trying to stop it, it would be worth a WTH (OMG is reserved for cute lil
girls, so I'm not allowed to use it).
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| cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5842 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian
| Message 27 of 45 03 August 2009 at 10:50am | IP Logged |
Thanks for pointing that out. I won't use that expression again.
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| zerothinking Senior Member Australia Joined 6376 days ago 528 posts - 772 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 28 of 45 03 August 2009 at 3:40pm | IP Logged |
Dr Ludwig Lazar Zamenhof (1859-1917) whose 150th birthday is being marked this month by
an International Esperanto Congress in his birthplace, Bialystok, Poland.
Just a suggestion, but don't you think it might simply be because of Dr Ludwig Lazar
Zamenhof's birthday this month that the higher-than-average media coverage has come
about?
Seems perfectly logical to me.
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| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6474 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese
| Message 29 of 45 03 August 2009 at 4:01pm | IP Logged |
qklilx, yes, that's 9am Hawaii time on Sunday. However, to attend the class you have to log into Edufire (and create an account if necessary) and click "Register for class".
If you want to see the lecture and can't make it at that time, I still recommend registering, because then Edufire will allow you to watch a video of it afterwards. It's really stupid but I can't export that video, so I think registering and not showing up is the best way. But if you can be there, do attend, it's a lot better than a recording because I involve the participants.
ElvenLord, from one of Tolstoy's letters:
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Six years ago I received an Esperanto grammar, vocabulary, and articles written in the language. After not more than two hours' study I was able, if not to write the language, at any rate to read it freely.... I have often noted how men are brought into unfriendly relations merely through material hindrance to mutual comprehension. The learning and spreading of Esperanto is therefore undoubtedly a Christian movement, helping to create the Kingdom of God, which is the chief and only aim of human life. |
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Cordelia, it depends on the speakers' origin whether they speak English. When I was in [the non-touristy part of] Beijing 2004, I didn't find anybody who could speak English adequately, including all Asian participants of the World Esperanto Congress which was taking place there. In Germany, the picture is different because every German has to study English at school for several years. However, even here there are very few Esperantists who speak English more fluently than Esperanto.
Kugel wrote:
Kugel: I'm particularly interested in Interlingua, as I think it's a more natural way to build upon the currently existing languages. Arbitrary inventions, rebuilding a language from scratch, to place on society could be called hubris. I don't know.
Modern Hebrew, which I think is the best example of an imposed successful language, had deep literary roots before becoming a language of a nation. What does Esperanto have? Interlingua has the necessary roots, namely Latin...right? |
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I do not see why Interlingua "has roots" and Esperanto doesn't... both are invented and both are almost equally distant from Latin I would say. Esperanto may have more Germanic roots, but most of Interlingua is not drawn from Latin but from modern Romance languages, which would not be comprehensible to a Latin native speaker. Maybe you were thinking of Latine Sine Flexione? Even that would confuse the hell out of a Roman, and it does not make Latin literature accessible to you...
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| Kugel Senior Member United States Joined 6542 days ago 497 posts - 555 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 30 of 45 03 August 2009 at 8:27pm | IP Logged |
I was under the impression that Interlingua was for languages that fell under the branch of Latin, thus having its roots. Of course, what I'm writing about is beyond my knowledge of invented languages, so I'm unavoidably producing bullshit on this matter. Now that I've looked into Latine Sine Flexione, I think that I used the two interchangeably.
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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6015 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh
| Message 31 of 45 03 August 2009 at 8:43pm | IP Logged |
The main plus of Interlingua (so they say) was that it based it's vocabulary on international scientific jargon, so all the Latin terms you would see in a medical or legal text were there in unaltered form, whereas Esperanto adjusted them to fit for grammatical endings etc. It does mean it loses in the regularity stakes, though....
Tolstoy wrote:
Six years ago I received an Esperanto grammar, vocabulary, and articles written in the language. After not more than two hours' study I was able, if not to write the language, at any rate to read it freely.... I have often noted how men are brought into unfriendly relations merely through material hindrance to mutual comprehension. The learning and spreading of Esperanto is therefore undoubtedly a Christian movement, helping to create the Kingdom of God, which is the chief and only aim of human life. |
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Douglas Adams wrote:
Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation. |
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;-)
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| JS-1 Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 5987 days ago 144 posts - 166 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Arabic (Egyptian), German, Japanese, Ancient Egyptian, Arabic (Written)
| Message 32 of 45 04 August 2009 at 4:30am | IP Logged |
cordelia0507 wrote:
Swedish wikipedia says that the role of English as the primary working language in the
EU brings in 17 billions a year for the British government (could be 170 billion because
of the confusing "miljard/biljon" usage in Sweden.)
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How does the British government make money out of the usage of English by the EU?
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This is like is the copyright / net neutrality or closed code vs open source debate.
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Not really. Languages aren't property.
Edited by JS-1 on 04 August 2009 at 4:31am
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