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| Risch Groupie United States Joined 5589 days ago 49 posts - 71 votes  Speaks: English* | Message 25 of 34 12 December 2009 at 12:52am | IP Logged | ||||||||
In the United States that was called urban renewal; it occurred all over this continent. Back then the theory was that high-density neighborhoods filled with old buildings (which we now find so charming) were a hazard to public health and safety; they must be demolished! Maybe your urban planner friend has read Jane Jacobs. Government tearing down our history and replacing it with subsidized offices, housing, highways, and parking lot; don't let anyone tell you that the American economy is capitalist. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7156 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 26 of 34 12 December 2009 at 3:05am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Here I think that it'd be best to agree to disagree. On the status of family, I have no problem saying something like "that's my sister/brother/nephew/second cousin etc", however I state these kinds of things as matters of fact, rather than points of pride. Really. I'm just an oddball to you, Gusutafu :-P. I do know what you're talking about when someone takes pride in something just because of its existence as I have observed it, and in fact I used to find it "good". Yet now, I truly do not. Actually it does matter that a lot of these things are accidental. I had no more control over my birth (or my parents choice to conceive, or my ancestors movements from one place to the next). At the same time I'm happy to be here, and I'm just trying to make the most of time on this Earth as it could have been someone else in my place. Actually that fills me more with wonderment than anything else. I don't need pride of association to sustain myself. Seriously, why would I? Why should I automatically show greater empathy or community with someone who belongs to my ethnic group, cultural "zone", etc. over someone who doesn't? I tend to gravitate to people with whom I can get along irrespective of their affiliations. If two people were jerks or detrimental to my life, then I wouldn't prefer one over the other if it turns out that I share a greater cultural or ethnic affinity with one of these people. In the end, both people are jerks, and so I'd rather disassociate from them. You're right in that my views on nationalism., pride, and cultural association say something about me, but it wasn't always like this. I've only come to these interpretations after some time. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Gusutafu Senior Member Sweden Joined 5521 days ago 655 posts - 1039 votes Speaks: Swedish* | Message 28 of 34 12 December 2009 at 9:31am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Also, they often don't have wheelchair ramps in Cairo. Seriously Tombstone, all those reasons may be true, but I really don't think that artifacts should be rearranged across the globe to make them more accessible for middle-class tourists with children from Western countries. That really shouldn't enter the equation at all.
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| Al-Irelandi Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5535 days ago 111 posts - 177 votes Speaks: English* | Message 29 of 34 12 December 2009 at 9:36am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I guess just as they were colonized and had the Rosetta stone taken from them due to that land (Egypt) being the property of the French colonialist usurpers that 'discovered' the Rashid (Rosetta) Stone, then it really must belong to those that took it. Just as Chris Colombus discovered the Americas and hence many things that were within the Americas hence then came under the ownership and right of possession of the Spaniards. Conquerors have the right to do what they want because they can do what they want. And the colonialists did only claim to come to civilise the aforementioned colonized peoples, taking them from their darkness and bring them into modernity. Edited by al-Irlandee on 12 December 2009 at 9:40am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5838 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian | Message 30 of 34 12 December 2009 at 12:49pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I think Tombstone's point of view makes perfect sense from a strongly pro-Western or pro-US perspective.
Personally I believe that this type of world view is fast approaching its' "best-by" date... But I might turn out to be wrong about that. Anyway, for the time being I think the stone should stay were it is, but for different reasons than Tombstone. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| RudyPiper Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5458 days ago 7 posts - 12 votes Speaks: EnglishB2 | Message 32 of 34 19 December 2009 at 11:03am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Amazing how some people learn foreign languages so they have a wider view point, are suddenly proud of what France and U.K has done to the world (Havoc and Mayhem), just because the case discussed involves Arabs and Islam.
F.Y.I Dr. Hawass is Christian. Now we'll see a change in tone am sure. 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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