TerryW Senior Member United States Joined 6356 days ago 370 posts - 783 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 41 of 58 06 May 2010 at 3:08am | IP Logged |
hypersport wrote:
I know Mexicans who tell me Portugese is as hard for them as it is for me, in other words...we don't speak it. Spanish and Portugese aren't the same and aren't near as similar to one another as you'd like to believe. |
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A native Brazilian at work told me that Portuguese contains all of the sounds of Spanish, but not vice versa, and that it's easier for Portuguese speakers to learn Spanish than vice versa.
Does that logic sound right?
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maaku Senior Member United States Joined 5573 days ago 359 posts - 562 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 42 of 58 06 May 2010 at 8:35am | IP Logged |
To the OP, a local community college offers summer intensive language training. Each quarter of a college-level language class is compressed into two weeks (8 hours of class and 4 hours of homework every day). That'a a full year equivalent in six weeks.
Now most people in this forum will rightly scoff at what can be accomplished in one year of an American foreign language class, but with the right attitude and aptitude at the end of those six weeks you could have rudimentary speaking skills (say, toddler level) and basic literacy in the language. The original claim has been exaggerated, I think, but not by too much.
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Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6702 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map
| Message 43 of 58 06 May 2010 at 10:25am | IP Logged |
I suppose you could learn the sentences in a small language guide for travellers in two weeks time if your life depended on it. But I doubt that you would be able to understand any answer that went beyond the examples in the book.
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glidefloss Senior Member United States Joined 5967 days ago 138 posts - 154 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, French
| Message 44 of 58 06 May 2010 at 10:34am | IP Logged |
What about the original L-R poster? Couldn't she learn new languages in 1 week at 12 hours a day? I haven't been around this forum for a while, but I would have assumed someone would have made a serious attempt since I've last been here? Or has everyone pretty much discredited the whole idea?
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maaku Senior Member United States Joined 5573 days ago 359 posts - 562 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 45 of 58 08 May 2010 at 6:20pm | IP Logged |
I would point out that DLI/FSI require six months of intensive training (12 hours a day) for the easiest languages, 2 years for the hardest. And they have more experience with this than even anyone here..
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maydayayday Pentaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5218 days ago 564 posts - 839 votes Speaks: English*, German, Italian, SpanishB2, FrenchB2 Studies: Arabic (Egyptian), Russian, Swedish, Turkish, Polish, Persian, Vietnamese Studies: Urdu
| Message 46 of 58 02 September 2010 at 8:38pm | IP Logged |
Iversen wrote:
I suppose you could learn the sentences in a small language guide for travellers in two weeks time if your life depended on it. But I doubt that you would be able to understand any answer that went beyond the examples in the book. |
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This is exactly what I did do in the 80's when sent to work in Germany! Over a period of two weeks I memorised a German phrasebook at the rate of about 30 - 50 phrases per day and an additional vocabulary of 30 - 50 words per day which could be used in my 500 phrase 'understanding of the language'. I had access to German speakers who could put my prounciation, right after a fashion. I arrived in Germany and survived !
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Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5380 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 47 of 58 02 September 2010 at 8:48pm | IP Logged |
Solfrid Cristin wrote:
A Dutch friend of mine inists that there are some Dutch nuns who have developed a method where they can teach you a new language from scratch in two weeks. |
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In the sense of 26 languages in a year? I can only imagine how many languages the nuns who have been there for 10-20 years speak.
I get the impression it's a method where they TRY to teach you a language for 2 weeks.
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Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5380 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 48 of 58 02 September 2010 at 8:53pm | IP Logged |
TerryW wrote:
A native Brazilian at work told me that Portuguese contains all of the sounds of Spanish, but not vice versa, and that it's easier for Portuguese speakers to learn Spanish than vice versa.
Does that logic sound right? |
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I'd venture (with limited knowledge of Portuguese) that all vowels are not necessarily equivalent, and further suggest that they probably do not interact in the same way.
But even if it were true, it's of little importance compared to the difficulty of actually learning the language.
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