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hanni
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 Message 25 of 28
22 August 2010 at 11:35pm | IP Logged 
I didn't think of it, but I guess it could be pre-reformation crucifixes...
Older protestant churches were (naturally) Catholic before the reformation and I think it varies what was done to the catholic paraphernalia in the shift. Some stricter churches got rid of all of it and painted over murals. Others kept some of it. I don't know how it worked precisely.




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staf250
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 Message 26 of 28
23 August 2010 at 8:52pm | IP Logged 
JW wrote:
I have been interested in exactly what the sign over Jesus' cross looked like ... Pilate also
wrote an inscription and put it on the cross. It was written, "JESUS THE NAZARENE, THE KING OF THE JEWS."
John 19:19...

My answer funded on AK Emmerick:
1. It was the text you read in John 19:19, a few words in Hebrew, Greek and Latin, three lines.
2. During the Roman empire it was normal use, when someone was brought to death, to write his or her
name, followed by the reason of punishment. Sometimes a boy walking prior to the victim was bearing the
plate with the text f.e. "Name, murderer".
3. For Jesus the text was carved in wood. Not the whole inscription but a part of it can be seen as a relic in
the "Basilica of the Holy Cross at Jerusalem" in Rom (Italy). You can find the image googling for "titulus
crucis". The original is difficult to read, due to poor contrast: wood carvings old 2000 Y!!!
4. All the three lines are written from right to left -I have no explanation for this- Some images on Google
are reconstructions. Only a few Hebrew letters are on the original piece of wood.
5a. Because I cannot write Greek or Latin from right to left (mirror written), please look at the google-
photos. Normal written piece of text on the relic:
Greek: HAZAPENΥCI---
Latin: NAZARINUSRE---
5b. Latin and Greek texts could have been or are suggested on Google images:
Greek: ΙΕCΥC ΝΑΖΑΡΕΝΥC ΒΑCΙΛΕΥC ΙΥΔΕΥΝ
Latin: IESVS NAZARINUS REX IUDEORVM
That's it.




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JW
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 Message 27 of 28
24 August 2010 at 2:17am | IP Logged 
staf250 wrote:
You can find the image googling for "titulus crucis". The original is difficult to read, due to poor contrast: wood carvings old 2000 Y!!!
4. All the three lines are written from right to left -I have no explanation for this- Some images on Google are reconstructions.


Here are the images (original and reconstruction).



I don't think the Hebrew had spaces between the letters but other than that it is correct. I also am stumped as to why the Greek and Latin would be written backwards except maybe so the Aramaic and Hebrew reading Judeans could read it easier? Interesting!
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JW
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 Message 28 of 28
24 August 2010 at 3:00pm | IP Logged 
staf250 wrote:
All the three lines are written from right to left -I have no explanation for this

I found the following reference that shows that shows that reverse writing was common in ancient manuscripts and inscriptions. I suspect that since the engraver who wrote the inscription started out with the Hebrew from right to left, he just continued the right to left pattern with the Greek and Latin, the direction of the writing being flexible:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boustrophedon


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