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| Michel1020 Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5017 days ago 365 posts - 559 votes  Speaks: French*, English, Spanish, Dutch | Message 9 of 14 14 March 2014 at 5:36pm | IP Logged | ||
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The B in ABN does not stand for Belgish but for Beschaafd. ABN is Standard dutch.
It does not mean flemish to be onbeschaafd. As for learning flemish you will have to either pick a part of Flanders and learn the local flemish or learn ABN with flemish accent. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6703 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 10 of 14 16 March 2014 at 11:14am | IP Logged | ||
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Could somebody with the necessary background compile a list of Youtube-videos which are genuine Flemish and not ABN with a Flemish accent?
I have of course visited Belgium lots of times since my first visit in 1972, but until a few years ago I had to stick to English(/German) or French, depending on the region. But as a matter of fact I have hardly heard any certified Flemish since I discovered that Dutch is a comprehensible language, and the steward on an airplane from Brussels to Copenhagen a week ago with whom I had a few short conversations was almost certainly not speaking a hardcore Flemish dialect (although he pronounced "voor" as /vo:r/ and not as /fo:r/ as the Netherlanders do). And this thread has made me curious about the percentage of the speech I would be able to understand. Edited by Iversen on 16 March 2014 at 11:16am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 11 of 14 16 March 2014 at 11:17am | IP Logged | ||
The separation of v/f in initial position is a typically Belgian and southern Dutch feature. Vlaams-voor-beginners-Ziej-mee.dhtml">West-Vlaams Besides that, Flemish dialects are spoken in home environments, rarely with outsiders. And by outsider I mean someone from the next town 10 km away. Edited by tarvos on 16 March 2014 at 11:23am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Michel1020 Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5017 days ago 365 posts - 559 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish, Dutch | Message 12 of 14 16 March 2014 at 12:02pm | IP Logged | ||
You need to be native or expert to have necessary background - I am not but I think this video could help. http://youtu.be/kbZ14g0y_iQ 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6703 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 13 of 14 16 March 2014 at 1:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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Interesting video, and I barely understood half the sentences. I followed some of the links the the right, but most ended up as songs, others as amateur comedy (same pattern as I have seen with other dialects, including Danish). Some were designed to show the difficulties, like a pretended computer course in Western Flemish - but it was actually funny, and I understood slightly more here. And finally I ended up with a talk show named "Iedereen West-Vlaams" which I basically understood. But the reason is obvoius: it was mainly in ordinary ABN, and whenever somebody spoke in the real W.F. dialect there were subtitles. Which shows that I'm not the only one to have problems. On the other hand: a couple of hours in pure dialect WITH subtitles is the best possible way to make that kind of stuff comprehensible. Even if the dialect speakers may find that it is an insult to them that others can't understand them. And last but not least: while I was writing I found this delightful interview with an elderly couple where the lady tells her husband to open his mouth when he speaks (an excellent advice which will help many dialect speakers to achieve better communication results), and then she asks the cameraman or whoever else is behind the camera whether they understand what her husband says. Niö? Well, maybe a bit of it, but a couple of hours more of this stuff would help a lot. And please without music, btu with subtitles. Edited by Iversen on 16 March 2014 at 1:14pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4828 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 14 of 14 16 March 2014 at 9:54pm | IP Logged | ||
A plea with which I'd heartily agree, in almost all circumstances. If someone's singing, then, fine, let's have music. But if they are speaking then I want to be able to hear them (or at least be able to decide whether they are worth listening to). 1 person has voted this message useful |
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