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| Via Diva Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation last.fm/user/viadivaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4235 days ago 1109 posts - 1427 votes  Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German, Italian, French, Swedish, Esperanto, Czech, Greek | Message 1 of 812 23 April 2013 at 2:57pm | IP Logged |
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Useless trying or How NOT to learn languages from Russian self-pesuaded anti-polyglot
TAC'14 starts on page 41 6WC/Aug'14 starts on page 64 6WC/Nov'14 starts on page 75 TAC'15 starts on page 80 LINKS: in case anyone is interested in fanfics produced by me, so far in English only SoundCloud: my harsh pronunciation of Russian, English, German and other languages, that'll probably appear later sports.ru: the most "living" blog of mine. Written in Russian, themes: F1, sometimes offtopic (like chess or music) last.fm: music talks, English (and, rarely, Russian) lang-8: when I'm desperate for corrections, I can post there InterPals: I have some practice in speaking German right now, and this is VERY hard for me, but I would gladly help as Russian native on this site and, finally, facebook and vk.com. On facebook you can get directly to me, but you wouldn't know much about my interests. On vk.com you can actually see, what interests me. Of course, most of information over there is in Russian, but isn't that the point? ____________________________________________________ You are reading notes from chemical engineering student from Russia. I want to say that languages are not the thing I should improve right now. But I'm passionate person, so, maybe I'll appear here with my notes for some time ang then disappear for another time... I can't predict it, but it is rare case when it is not like this... Hope this grammitacally terrible notes will help you not to repeat my mistakes :) 23rd April Well, I'm wasting time for post which, I suppose, won't be take into somebody's account at all instead of making my homework: organic chemistry, mathematics, physics... I have only one excuse - I have come home from English, my last lesson today, and I have to learn all about participles until Friday. Damn! I can't, I just can't make myself to learn something from grammar. It's completely ridiculous! The reason for why I haven't catch bad mark today is... yes, I just wasn't noticed in right time. Or, speaking normally, luck. Thank you, my dear fate! I mean it... I'm actually ill, my eternal problem is my nose. That's why yesterday I stayed at home and missed Engineering Graphics lecture. I didn't missed too much, but I'm just not used to miss something at all. But yesterday I was hitted by German. Again. If on Sunday it was first lesson of Michel Thomas (accent!!!), yesterday is was 9 (or 10?) lessons of Deutsch - Warum nicht? from DW. Well. I have to admit - it is really funny to listen stories about journalism student working in hotel and having his own... kobold. I haven't knew about the very existing of this word before I started that course. But what I was talking about? Oh, about the course filling. Yes, it is interesting, but now I only need to translate from German, there is absolute nothing more that I need right now! Damn, am I completely hopelessly alone? I think I am. Freaks are always alone... But I have to stop myself right now. Maybe I'm writting with too many mistakes? Maybe I'm too boring? I'm better to shut up and further waste precious time... music while typing - Angizia - Ich bin ein Bewohner des S/W-Diagramms Edited by Via Diva on 17 July 2015 at 4:40pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Via Diva Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation last.fm/user/viadivaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4235 days ago 1109 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German, Italian, French, Swedish, Esperanto, Czech, Greek | Message 2 of 812 24 April 2013 at 10:59am | IP Logged |
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24th April
After half of day I can say that I'm definitely losing my mind. All that I really done - watch first Matrix and part of second with original audio and English subs. In first time, hehe. But since there is absolutely no improvments which I can feel, I'm thinking all that I have done is called nothing. Few days ago I read about L-R and got intersted in it. But I still do not trying to do something. Oh, just now I've dowloaded few audiobooks of Daphne du Maurier and Stefan Zweig, but I have no bilingial texts. I'm not afraid of it in case of du Maurier, but... well, I'm not sure. The main reason why I can't even normally start to learn German is, I'm afraid, English. I still have to learn so much new in English that I'm blocking myself to the other languages. And the environment is set to kill me. I live in Siberia, actually. Everybody knows that it is quite cold there. Ha! Right now we have +16, yesterday was +25 and - the main point - we still have heating in our apartments. This situation is melting my brains... I'm still ill but in order not to go insane I'm holding plastic bottle with ice cold water near me. This is brand Russian vicious circle with no exit and no hope. By the way, I really enjoyed from first part of Matrix. I denied to watch it for quite long time, and now I'm glad that I broke my decision not to watch it. But second part makes me bore and L-R, mathematics, chemistry is calling to get my attention. Well, I can choose nothing and try to sleep in daytime... But there was a bunch of time since I was reading something from Zweig. Maybe I shall choose an attempt of L-R? :) music while typing - Lyube - Russians (Любэ - Русские) Edited by Via Diva on 24 April 2013 at 11:00am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4708 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 3 of 812 24 April 2013 at 11:14am | IP Logged |
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Я с Вами не согласен. В данном моменте прогресс, наверное, Вам не кажется огромным. Но
через месяц, два месяца, у вас, должно быть, признаки прогресса появляются. Вам будет легче посмотреть фильмы и сериалы. Вы узнаете много слов, которые раньше совсем не узнавали или даже неслышно были (вы не замечали слова в фразе, только шум был). Будьте терпеливыми, тогда у вас все получится. Без труда не и вынесите рыбку из пруда. Я был во Вашем месте, когда начал изучать русский язык, у меня тоже все сложно и тяжело было, и я сразу думал, что у меня никогда не было легче понимать русский язык. Теперь это легче. Я еще не совершенно обладаю русский язык, как и Вы, или как другие русскоговорящие. Но это неважно. Самое главное, что Вам приятно учить и английский, и немецкий язык, а тогда у вас никаких проблем не будет. Кстати, где Вы живете в Сибири? Edited by tarvos on 24 April 2013 at 11:16am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Via Diva Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation last.fm/user/viadivaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4235 days ago 1109 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German, Italian, French, Swedish, Esperanto, Czech, Greek | Message 4 of 812 24 April 2013 at 11:25am | IP Logged |
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tarvos, рада видеть, что вам интересно читать мои скромные заметки. Я писала в теме Do dubs help you? о том, что улучшения есть, но общей ситуации это не меняет. В университете меня просят не столько говорить, сколько пересказывать грамматические правила (правда, это связано с тем, что наш преподаватель заболела в начале семестра и мы вынуждены работать несколько иначе).
И, если уж совсем начистоту, то я все еще не думаю, что по-настоящему начала учить немецкий. Ну, прошла первый урок первого уровня в Rosetta Stone, если это можно назвать обучением :) А вообще я боюсь, что в ненужный момент на ум придут немецкие слова и я влипну в какие-либо проблемы с английским. Я живу в Омске, наша область граничит с Казахстаном :) Edited by Via Diva on 24 April 2013 at 12:11pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4708 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 5 of 812 24 April 2013 at 11:40am | IP Logged |
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Вы не можете редактировать этот пост? У меня буквы не видимые.
Про ваш ответ: у меня опыт такой, что английский и немецкий язык очень плохо совмещаются. Обычно, это скорее всего бывают с языками, которые тестнее связанные, чем английский и немецкий язык (например, испанский и итальянский). И у меня вообще очень мало являются такие ошибки - к тому же, они не очень страшные, на мой взгляд это просто значит что не вполне умеете выразить себя на этом языке. И это не так плохо, хоть можете уже выразить что-нибудь полезное. Это просто значит, что Вы учите, и надо немного продолжить изучение языка, а не, что вы никак не можете говорить на этом языке и все. Что касается грамматики, я ей не очень много занимаюсь. Вообще мне приятнее говорить, чем изучать, и мне кажется, что это сильно мотивирует, когда возможности использования есть. Edited by tarvos on 24 April 2013 at 3:10pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 6 of 812 24 April 2013 at 1:05pm | IP Logged |
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It's not a lack of progress, it's a stupid uni. Moscow State Linguistic University sucks as well, btw.
Yeah, we also still have heating here in Moscow! lol. good luck with your studies! The main thing to understand is that there are limits. If you had 6 hours you could spend on language learning (in one day), would you spend them all on English? If you wouldn't, would you spend 3 on English and 3 on German? 2 hours each for English, German, Spanish? (for example) If you want to devote more time to languages, you also need more languages:) PS if you want corrections, I recommend posting on lang-8.com to get them:) it's also a great way to meet English (or German) native speakers learning Russian. Edited by Serpent on 24 April 2013 at 1:07pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Via Diva Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation last.fm/user/viadivaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4235 days ago 1109 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German, Italian, French, Swedish, Esperanto, Czech, Greek | Message 7 of 812 24 April 2013 at 1:27pm | IP Logged |
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tarvos, врать не стану, пока выражаться на немецком не приходилось, разве что повторять за словами в Rosetta Stone. Да и вообще я за все то время, пока учила английский в школе, не относилась к нему всерьез. У меня хорошо получались переводы с английского на русский, чтение было более-менее нормальным, а учительница прекрасно знала, что я терпеть не могу грамматику. Тесты я стабильно писала на тройки, закрывая их пятерками за чтение и перевод.
Однако совсем без грамматики никак не справиться, и одна из кучи причин, по которым я сейчас почти не открываю Rosetta Stone - это непонимание, где, как и почему надо менять артикли и окончания в немецком. Тут еще играет роль отсутствие должной мотивации - мне немецкий нужен лишь для того, чтобы переводить то, что меня зацепило: песни группы Angizia, например. А у нас в России не так давно с большим успехом стартовало реалити-шоу "Полиглот: Как выучить *** язык за 16 часов". Весьма интересная вещь, сейчас показываю выпуски про английский маме, который учила его лет эдак 20 назад и успела все забыть. Сама же буду ждать серию немецких, обещают выпустить в конце года :) Если вам интересно, что это, могу дать ссылки в PM :) ____________ 24th April, a bit later So, I have tried L-R with russian text and German audio. When I started to listening and readind I realised that I haven't read this particular novel of Zweig before. I read in some explanings to methog that I should take the text that I already know, so I was aware of usefulness of this. And what? I'm already recognising some words! If I do not trust my ears I believe to everithing I see, and this makes me feel a little bit more otimistic that I was before. Of course, I do not hear something German for the first time in my life, I have been listen to German songs many times, I have seen 5-10 movies in German with Russian subs, and it seems to be something (though I was sure that I know nearly nothing). I have a quetion for you, dear readers. Will it be twice helpfull if I'll be doing L-R in English (intermediate/ upper intermediate) and German (beginner)? Or it is better to do L-R with my native language? Edited by Via Diva on 24 April 2013 at 1:28pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Via Diva Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation last.fm/user/viadivaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4235 days ago 1109 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German, Italian, French, Swedish, Esperanto, Czech, Greek | Message 8 of 812 24 April 2013 at 1:37pm | IP Logged |
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Serpent, our OmSU is good, the problem... блин, не могу даже сформулировать на английском :D Скажу на великом и могучем - из-за того, что я иногда заикаюсь о немецком, дорогие одногруппники смотрят на меня, как на идиотку и сумасшедшую :)
Heating in Moscow? You gotta be kidding o_O And we are thinking that Moscow is not Russia after all :D I have no certain schedule in daily life so it's problematic to separate time for languages. It all depends on my crazy mind :) Thanks for the advice about corrections, I'll think 'bout it :) Edited by Via Diva on 24 April 2013 at 1:39pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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