Enrico Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 3746 days ago 162 posts - 207 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Italian, Spanish, French
| Message 9 of 15 02 September 2014 at 6:02am | IP Logged |
tarvos wrote:
Stress can move within the conjugation in Russian. |
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In this case correct is "Брат Стефана and "Брат Стефана sounds for me like it was said by a bushman.
Edited by Enrico on 02 September 2014 at 6:08am
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Stooge Triglot Newbie United Kingdom Joined 4054 days ago 1 posts - 1 votes Speaks: Ukrainian, Russian*, English Studies: French
| Message 10 of 15 07 September 2014 at 11:33pm | IP Logged |
To answer your question, the assertion that you don't hear endings is nonsense.
Some of them are similar sounding, but there's no sounds getting dropped.
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Bodhi Diglot Newbie United States Joined 3723 days ago 1 posts - 1 votes Speaks: English*, Russian
| Message 11 of 15 17 September 2014 at 7:34pm | IP Logged |
Last night, I was discussing the sounds of Russian endings with my Russian wife (who moved to the US in 2010).
I was listening to an Eko Moskvi podcast and there were a couple of words that sounded clipped at the end (I wish I could remember the words). I asked my wife and she responded, "Well, some words are so common that they get said super fast and the endings kinda get blurred or clipped at the end"
However, there are also words that appear blurred to a student (at least for me) but are perfectly clear to a native speaker. We discussed 2 forms of серия::
серий
серии
Of course, she could easily distinguish between the two. However, when she said the words quickly in a sentence I could not tell the difference. What makes this awful is that I was expecting the word ending changes and still couldn't really tell the difference. This makes me think that it will be absolutely impossible for me to train my ear to hear in a random native fast conversation.
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Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian*
| Message 12 of 15 19 September 2014 at 12:27am | IP Logged |
Bodhi wrote:
However, there are also words that appear blurred to a student (at least for me) but are perfectly clear to a native speaker. We discussed 2 forms of серия::
серий
серии
Of course, she could easily distinguish between the two.
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Really?
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Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 13 of 15 19 September 2014 at 4:24am | IP Logged |
What exactly do you mean by distinguish? Could she hear the difference in isolation? Could she tell which is which from the context? Do you just mean there's a clear difference in how she pronounces them?
Also, my theory is that we pronounce the words that end in consonants with a lower pitch than the words ending in vowels. Of course the overall intonation of the sentence can also matter here.
Edited by Serpent on 19 September 2014 at 4:32am
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Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian*
| Message 14 of 15 19 September 2014 at 10:58am | IP Logged |
Воины и войны http://lingvoforum.net/index.php?topic=40538.0
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tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4708 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish
| Message 15 of 15 19 September 2014 at 12:20pm | IP Logged |
Serpent wrote:
Also, my theory is that we pronounce the words that end in consonants
with a lower pitch than the words ending in vowels. Of course the overall intonation of
the sentence can also matter here. |
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This sounds fairly logical to me.
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