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patuco
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 Message 49 of 57
18 November 2006 at 2:36am | IP Logged 
I agree with Sir Nigel. I'm surprised this hasn't been locked.



rafaelbp wrote:
aldo wrote:

I have studied more langagues that most all of you.

I have 4 University degrees.


And you were still unable to contribute to this forum.

No, he did contribute, just not very helpfully.
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Hencke
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 Message 50 of 57
18 November 2006 at 8:27am | IP Logged 
Threads like this make me miss usenet newsgroups, where you have functions to filter out (aka "plonk") individual posters, and carry on discussing and debating on a civilised level with the rest of the group.

The way to get the thread back "on track" would be to contribute something on the original subject: the type of Spanish spoken in Barcelona.

But it is not a terribly complicated subject to begin with so I guess it was more or less thoroughly covered on the first couple of pages and it is not easy to come up with anything new. At least I can't. From that point of view we might as well have the thread blocked.
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rafaelrbp
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 Message 51 of 57
18 November 2006 at 9:08am | IP Logged 
I've listened to some Catalan audio, and I can't figure it out why it's related to French. I mean, to my ears it's more like a mix of Spanish with European Portuguese.

I also could understand 95% of their texts (wikipedia). Sometimes I think: "why separate two very closed languages for political reasons, when they are so similar?".


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patuco
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 Message 52 of 57
18 November 2006 at 12:07pm | IP Logged 
Hencke wrote:
Threads like this make me miss usenet newsgroups, where you have functions to filter out (aka "plonk") individual posters, and carry on discussing and debating on a civilised level with the rest of the group.

That's where moderators usually step in.



rafaelbp wrote:
I also could understand 95% of their texts (wikipedia). Sometimes I think: "why separate two very closed languages for political reasons, when they are so similar?".

Why stop there? We might as well unite Spanish with Portuguese since they are also so similar ;-)
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Iversen
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 Message 53 of 57
18 November 2006 at 6:54pm | IP Logged 
There are people who apparently want as many languages as possible (the 'Ethnologues'), and there are people who want to limits the number of recognized languages to the bare minimum. If the first group can find two persons who can't understand each then they claim that there are two languages involved. If the second group find two persons who CAN understand each other across a presumed language barriere, then they claim that there is really only language.

The possibility of lumping Portuguese and Spanish together has been discussed in another thread, and I haven't changed my mind since I wrote in that thread.

For me the classical division between Portuguese and Castilian ("Spanish") and Catalan (with Basque as a complete outsider) is simply the most practical and economical solution to the problem of linguistic diversity on the Iberian Peninsula.

Maybe there are some pockets of Aragonese up North, but they are just the last afterglow after a glorious but distant past, and they will probably die out soon.

Galician is a more complicated case. It is basically a dialect of Portuguese (in spite of the prevailing Castilianized writing), and as far as I know there is a borderzone where it merges imperceptibly into standard European Portuguese. However it does matter that there is a political border, and if the Galicians should decide to let Galician glide further and further away from Portuguese Portuguese then at some point they will definitely have a real language, though still closely related to Portuguese.

The connection between Catalan and French is not very strong. If Occitan (in its pure form) had dominated Southern France as it did in the middle ages it would certainly have been reasonably close to Catalan, but instead we have a situation where either standard French or French with a smattering of Occitan patois dominates the area, and both these variants are quite far from Catalan.


Edited by Iversen on 18 November 2006 at 6:55pm
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tmp011007
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 Message 54 of 57
02 April 2013 at 3:27am | IP Logged 
aldo wrote:
I learned THAI at DLI so believe me I had a level that many of you would envy in any language--but, as I stated, it is a performance skill.

according to your military file (*information releasable under the freedom of information act) you started basic arabic farsi on 940407, basic thai on 940425 and you received your discharge on 940718... so, you learned thai in about 3 months? awesome! :P
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Duke100782
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 Message 55 of 57
18 February 2015 at 4:49am | IP Logged 
aldo wrote:
YOu proved nothing other than you are incapablee of seeing the writing on the wall--too use
a gnomic saying from USA English. (And too bad if there are typos here--I am using a Thai keybooard--which
none of you are doing.)

So what the hell?

Where are your CLick Stop Language Skills?

Get real?

You people live in a small world away from reality.

YOu want it that way and you argue non sequiturs. To show you about your pathetic specious skills I will use
Jerry SPence: Some leaves on a tree are not green, some are brown or yellow--but to forecast or use that all
leaves or the general nature of leaves is yellow or brown is jsut plain wrong.

You never prove anything trying to argue exceptions--and that is what you failed logic students try to do.

Maybe if some of you had an education beyond wishes and deisres you would be able to keep up. Look, I
have studied more langagues that most all of you. I have gone to the hardest languages school on the planet-
-how many of you have? I have 4 University degrees. I live in Asia--I talk from reality.

But you don't want to listen.

Go down with the Hindenberg.


This man is just trying to act like an ass. By denigrating the hobbies and achievements of others he seeks to
validate his own worth. By purposely inciting people in this forum for those who love learning languages, he
hopes his views will get extra attention.

Oh Aldo, you are so intelligent and such a tough man. We should all listen to your great wisdom and common
sense.

EDIT: typo



Edited by Duke100782 on 18 February 2015 at 4:51am
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Duke100782
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 Message 56 of 57
18 February 2015 at 4:52am | IP Logged 
aldo wrote:
YOu proved nothing other than you are incapablee of seeing the writing on the wall--too use
a gnomic saying from USA English. (And too bad if there are typos here--I am using a Thai keybooard--which
none of you are doing.)

So what the hell?

Where are your CLick Stop Language Skills?

Get real?

You people live in a small world away from reality.

YOu want it that way and you argue non sequiturs. To show you about your pathetic specious skills I will use
Jerry SPence: Some leaves on a tree are not green, some are brown or yellow--but to forecast or use that all
leaves or the general nature of leaves is yellow or brown is jsut plain wrong.

You never prove anything trying to argue exceptions--and that is what you failed logic students try to do.

Maybe if some of you had an education beyond wishes and deisres you would be able to keep up. Look, I
have studied more langagues that most all of you. I have gone to the hardest languages school on the planet-
-how many of you have? I have 4 University degrees. I live in Asia--I talk from reality.

But you don't want to listen.

Go down with the Hindenberg.


What's wrong, daddy isn't proud of you?


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