luhmann Senior Member Brazil Joined 5331 days ago 156 posts - 271 votes Speaks: Portuguese* Studies: Mandarin, French, English, Italian, Spanish, Persian, Arabic (classical)
| Message 1 of 7 01 February 2015 at 2:40pm | IP Logged |
You will need to have a basic knowledge of how the alphabet works, so you can find out how to pronounce the words as need arises.
When a you find new word, look it up here:
http://aratools.com/ use the English translation to figure out which word is right.
Here's your text:
http://m.uploadedit.com/b044/1422796811391.txt (encoded as unicode utf-8)
First decipher the Arabic, then refer to the translation, then read the Arabic again... if the translation doesn't match, just ignore it.
Basic grammar will help, but it won't be necessary at first.
PS. It is a little messy in the beginning, but if you're able to bear it, everything will be a lot smoother a few pages down below.
Edited by luhmann on 01 February 2015 at 3:41pm
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Al-Malik Bilingual Heptaglot Senior Member United Kingdom arabicgenie.com Joined 7132 days ago 221 posts - 294 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, German*, Spanish, Arabic (Written), Dutch, French, Arabic (classical) Studies: Mandarin, Persian
| Message 2 of 7 02 February 2015 at 12:42pm | IP Logged |
I have to admit that I don't understand what this is. Could you explain a little how you used this to learn Arabic? To me it just looks like a bunch of phrases and a lot of gibberish, but perhaps there is some purpose behind this that I can't discern?
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luhmann Senior Member Brazil Joined 5331 days ago 156 posts - 271 votes Speaks: Portuguese* Studies: Mandarin, French, English, Italian, Spanish, Persian, Arabic (classical)
| Message 3 of 7 03 February 2015 at 11:36am | IP Logged |
It is some sort of SRS system (with pre-defined repetitions), it introduces a word form, than it repeats it a huge number of times in new combinations. First a new word is introduced, showing up to 40 examples (if possible), reading these allows me to learn the word and many different constructions in which that word is commonly used, after a little while, I can understand most of the fragments without recourse to the translation. Then another set of up to 40 fragments are shown, reviewing the last 40 wordforms that were introduced.
The fact that each wordform is treated in isolation, allows me to bypass most grammar study, learning by inference from a plethora of examples.
This allows me to get massive input at a very low level. It has been very effective for me, causing me to mostly abandon my other learning materials. I'm pretty sure that after working a few thousand words, I'll be understanding native media almost completely.
Here is a new version: http://m.uploadedit.com/b045/1422962207706.txt - Made the first 6 words come together, reduced the number or initial repetitions to 30, tweaked reviews so that they are more spaced, and added spaces between each section, as well as a counter.
Edited by luhmann on 03 February 2015 at 12:32pm
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Woodpecker Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5809 days ago 351 posts - 590 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Written), Arabic (Egyptian) Studies: Arabic (classical)
| Message 4 of 7 05 February 2015 at 11:11am | IP Logged |
I don't really understand the purpose of the text you uploaded, but the online dictionary's ability to
unpack morphology appears to be totally unprecedented. Do you know anything about the current
state of this project? Some of the download links seem to be broken, and the site design is pretty
weird. The ability to fetch definitions from this in something like LWT would be amazing.
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Zireael Triglot Senior Member Poland Joined 4649 days ago 518 posts - 636 votes Speaks: Polish*, EnglishB2, Spanish Studies: German, Sign Language, Tok Pisin, Arabic (Yemeni), Old English
| Message 5 of 7 06 February 2015 at 6:32pm | IP Logged |
I've been using Aratools for ages (if this is the dictionary you're asking after).
Haven't seen the promised iPhone/Android apps, though.
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luhmann Senior Member Brazil Joined 5331 days ago 156 posts - 271 votes Speaks: Portuguese* Studies: Mandarin, French, English, Italian, Spanish, Persian, Arabic (classical)
| Message 6 of 7 14 February 2015 at 10:32pm | IP Logged |
I could not as yet figure out how to use Aratools offline, I have downloaded the data, but I could not figure out what to do with it.
As for my method, I just started reading it from the beginning, trying to understand every fragment... for me, it is a very effective way to learn the alphabet and to become thoroughly acquainted with basic vocabulary in a streamlined activity.
PS. I guess I was overly optimistic when I named the thread though...
Edited by luhmann on 15 February 2015 at 1:47pm
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Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5318 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English
| Message 7 of 7 14 February 2015 at 11:25pm | IP Logged |
Zireael wrote:
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The iOS version is available in the App Store. It's not exactly cheap though.
luhmann wrote:
I could not as yet figure out how to use Aratools offline, I have downloaded the data, but I could not figure out what to do with it. |
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I created a quick and dirty StarDict/GoldenDict version using the same data (Buckwalter AraMorph) that I could upload to a one-click host. (If you're interested in it PM me.)
Note that since the inflections are hard-coded, it'll will only find the most common ones, and unlike Aratools it won't tell you, for example, that "وكتبت" consists of wa and the female form of kataba. (It'll simply display the entry for kataba.)
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